Toddler’s Severe Tooth Decay Halted in Only 5 Days

by Sarah TheHealthyHomeEconomist December 9, 2012

severe tooth decayThe CDC is reporting that preschoolers’ teeth are in really bad shape. For the first time in 40 years, the number of preschoolers with cavities, even severe tooth decay, rose in the most recent study conducted from 5 years ago.

Dentists everywhere are confirming this trend. More and more preschoolers from all income levels have 6 -10 or even more cavities. It doesn’t seem to matter if the child gets regular checkups or whether good tooth brushing habits are followed.

The decay is often so severe that the teeth are literally crumbling out of a child’s mouth and surgery is immediately recommended. Multiple fillings and root canals in a single visit necessitates general anesthesia as a child that young cannot sit still for the length of time required to fix so many severely rotting teeth.

Something is obviously very, very wrong with the diet of the vast majority of children to cause such severe tooth decay at such a young age.

Constant snacking on refined carbohydrates and juice is no doubt a big part of the problem as is the complete void of nutrient dense foods in most children’s diets.

Fortunately, more parents are discovering the power of simple dietary changes to save their children’s teeth.  I’ve written before on how I healed my own child’s cavity in a few weeks with dietary change alone.  No filling was ever required for that tooth.

How about severe and rampant decay in a preschooler’s mouth, however?

If you think that your child’s teeth are beyond help and surgery is the only option, think again.  This Mom’s video below of how it only took 5 days for severe decay to stop with dietary change alone is sure to change your thinking about the possibilities for your own child.

Warning:  Dentists will likely ridicule this approach as they were never taught that cavities can heal in dental school, but the fact is that tooth decay can be reversed and renowned dentist Dr. Weston A. Price wrote about it in his book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.  Just because your dentist doesn’t believe it doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

At the very least it’s worth a shot before putting your child through surgery, wouldn’t you agree?

The protocol the Mom in the video below used for reversing severe decay in her young child is outlined in detail in the book Cure Tooth Decay, by Rami Nagel.   I highly recommend this book as a must read if you are having cavity problems in your child or even in yourself.    You can sign up for Rami’s very informative, free newsletter by clicking here.

The Mother was told surgery was the only way to go for her daughter due to the severity of the decay.

The dentist was wrong.

Only simple dietary changes were required to fix this child’s severe tooth decay without any surgery required!

Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist

Sources

Rise in Preschoolers Cavities Prompts Anesthesia Use

Trends in Oral Health Status, CDC

Picture Credit

More Information on Nutrition and Oral Health

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Whiten Your Teeth Without Dangerous Chemicals

Resolving Periodontal Problems with Bone Broth

Safe, Natural Alternative to Dangerous Baby Teething Gels

Coconut Oil Stops Strep Bacteria from Damaging Tooth Enamel

What is the True Cause of Crooked Teeth?

10 Signs Your Dentist is Truly Holistic

Avoiding Root Canals with Diet Alone

Could the Cause of Your Illness Be Right Under Your Nose?

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Comments (268)

  1. Our dd is almost 18 months and her Poor front main Teeth are crumbling before my eyes. We avoid sugar, no junk food or anything…she started these problems when she chipped her two front teeth. Then fell again and chipped them more. I’m so upset. The dentist we went to said there was nothing they could do because of how bad they are. Not to mention, as some of you have said, she breathes through her mouth too. She was fine until the chipped teeth…I’m at a loss on what to do. I have yet to get the CLO/BO but we eat lots of veggies, make my own bone broth, use coconut oil, …it’s so upsetting.

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  3. These are al so interesting my question is …does any of this actually work?
    My dentist bill is out of this world ever since I had my son ten years ago,and you know what I TOTALLY believe that extreme stress in a certain gestation of the preganancy caused the issues he now has as a child…My mother was stressed with both me and my younger brother and our teeth have progressively got worse very fast….The oldest brother has had not one cavity!….I just cant seem to get it to stop :(

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  4. Julie Abigail via Facebook August 6, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Can this diet be followed on a really tight budget? My 3 yr old and I both have tooth decay and I would really love to reverse it through diet and avoid the dentist (and their bills!) all together!

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  5. Kristine West via Facebook August 6, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    Bone broth and raw dairy saves the day! I have experienced this (by having them drink 1 cup of raw milk a day) with my own family.

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  6. Deb Holter via Facebook August 6, 2014 at 11:16 am

    My “healthy diet” kid had absorption issues. We healed the gut thru GAPS and CLO.we used Ramiel Nagel Author of Cure Tooth Decay protocol. And we found raw milk and supplemented vit D. We also used ozone therapy thru a great dentist. Pm for info.

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  7. Laura Devick via Facebook August 5, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    Also, high amounts of toxins, such as lead, aluminum, affect mineral absorption. A hair analysis test can get you pointed in the right direction.

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  8. Debbie Scocchio Kusky via Facebook August 5, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    Avoiding sugar doesn’t help us. My kids rarely eat sugar and have a ton of cavities. My son’s enamel is soft. We are having major issues with his teeth. I’m going to try the stuff suggested. My son has milk sensitivities. He’s never had raw milk. I’m wondering if he would react the same.

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  9. Dawn Geisinger via Facebook August 5, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    It all has to do with gut health and the bacteria within which is also the bacteria in your mouth.

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  10. Laura Andrews Hojnacke via Facebook August 5, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    My husband was told that he needed a root canal. He followed the instructions in Ramiel’s book and the whole he had is still there, but the exposed areas have completely hardened. I’m expecting the dentist to be quite surprised when he goes to see him again.

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  11. Avoiding sugar isn’t enough. When there’s no decay, it isn’t even necessary! The real problem lies with lack of mineral absorption. Increasing the supply of minerals (through bone broth, raw milk, etc.) and finding the reason for poor absorption (too much phytic acid from grains, beans and nuts is a very common cause) is the way to heal teeth and prevent future troubles. I’ve had success with my own toddler’s teeth with this method.

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  12. Carbohydrate turn to sugar on teeth.. crackers and bread can cause cavities just as much as captain crunch ..Good oral hygiene and not letting your mouth go dry are truly thd best prevention.. and some people just have “soft” teeth

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  13. Kristy Franske via Facebook August 5, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    i’m really starting to question the effectiveness of avoiding sugar and fruit juice that seems to be the battle cry of health-conscious parents. especially after discovering the work of ray peat. why are so many “healthy” kids getting cavities? how can you blame sugar when they eat no sugar?! i think there is more to the story….

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  14. My daughter has cavities/ decay but she has severe food allergies as well, including dairy and fish…. any recommendations? She is 5

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    • Yes! Your daughter does not have to suffer with any allergies ever! They can be cured. Go to http://www.naet.com and find an acupuncturist near you who is trained in this technique. I used to have extremely severe food and environmental allergies. But, after going through acupuncture treatments, I can eat anything I want! This is a very effective treatment for allergies. Once treated, she won’t ever have the allergy again. They can even treat nut allergies that are otherwise deadly and the child can eat nuts within 24 hours after treatment.

      I was treated for an allergy to poison oak and ivy in 2000. before the treatment, I could not even get near the plants without breaking out because the oils would blow with the wind and onto me. Now, I can rub the plant on my skin and not break out. It is that effective!

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  15. Is it just me or does anyone else get completely overwhelmed by all the information and things we are supposed to do? My 20 month old son has some pretty bad tooth decay. We eat pretty well for what we can afford so I was caught a little off guard when it started happening. I ordered some CLO/BO but my order got messed up so I only got CLO. I’ve been thinking I need to take him to the dentist, but I dont trust the advice Dr give most of the time. I will definitely order some CLO/BO and make some changes, hopefully it will work. Thanks for the article

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    • It is really overwhelming at first, but you do get used to it. It helped me a lot to mentally divide food into food/non-food categories as in raw honey=food, high fructose corn syrup=non-food , non-foods don’t belong in my pantry or fridge. If you study and pray about what God really intended us to eat you will be amazed at how your “food life” will change. At first it seems more complicated but really it is much much simpler to only eat real food.

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  16. Deborah Allsbrook via Facebook March 13, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    In a standard blood panel, check the alkaline phosphatase level. If it’s low, could be Hypo-phosphatasia,. A rare genetic bone disease. Symptoms are premature lose of baby teeth (odontophosphatasia) , and could effect adult teeth due to soft bones.

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  17. Elisabeth Rockwell via Facebook March 13, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    From my understanding, tooth decay can also be due to the pH in an individual’s mouth. I don’t think there’s much that can be done to change the pH but to modify the diet according to the pH.

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  18. Liberty Powers via Facebook March 13, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    “Pregnant mothers need to understand that even before their child is born, they are having an effect on their child’s future tooth decay. Because children’s baby teeth begin forming before birth, pregnant mothers can help prevent future tooth decay in several ways. First, mothers should ensure they are getting adequate nutrition. Developmental defects in children’s teeth due to poor prenatal nutrition are strongly related to the development of tooth decay later in life. Second, mothers need to pay special attention to their own oral health. Studies have shown that mothers with tooth decay increase the risk of passing cavity-causing bacteria to their children.” http://eclkc.ohs.acf.hhs.gov/

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  19. Candice Roth via Facebook March 13, 2014 at 10:13 am

    If i hear one more dentist blame me and and/or blame it on juice (which he did not have), sugar or nursing, i will slap him.

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  20. Olivia Backstrom via Facebook March 13, 2014 at 8:27 am

    Teeth health happens while you are pregnant… Take Fermented Cod Liver Oil while pregnant and your child will have beautiful thick white teeth with nice spacing. I took more CLO with my son than my daughter (19 months apart) and his teeth are beautiful with nice spacing. The key vitamins in CLO are Vitamin A and D. Try to avoid sugar while pregnant and only eat sprouted bread. Once they are born you can do damage control but it’s mostly too late. My oldest will need some kind of orthodontics and for that we will be going the functional appliance route when she is still young to help expand her jaw.

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  21. Jenny Cameron via Facebook March 13, 2014 at 5:50 am

    I jumped on the fclo/bo and bone broth and raw dairy boat last year, and my tooth decay from years and years of being dairy free/vit a and d deficient have halted….. it is feeling less sensitive and much less of a sharp hole!!! Im a believer!

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  22. Rachel Byers via Facebook March 13, 2014 at 5:44 am

    Also, make sure she isnt a mouth breather..our 4 yr old has been a mouth breather due to enlarged tonsils, its completely destroyed his front teeth..its absolutely heartbreaking!! Noone told us mouth breathers suffer from this..for so long I was beside myself with research and trying to figure out what the heck was going on with my perfect healthy son..he is stealth health..never one ear infection, no antibiotics EVER, nursed till 3 1/2, everything holistic, born at home, all natural organic everything, sees a chiro monthly..brushed his teeth from 6 mnths on..and here he is still suffering from his poor teeth being affected by mouth breathing..I am devastated..he also takes the very best supplements, cod liver fermented capsules, probiotics, raw children vitamins etc…talk about going crazy and very angry that this is happening to him depsite him having THE best care possible..
    We have had him tested for gluten, dairy, soy, eggs..he was high gluten sensitivity, so we have gone gluten free for 3 months, but he is still snoring pretty bad:( we thought the gluten was inflaming his adenoids and tonsils..seems to be a little better but not nearly enough to make this mama feel at peace..he goes to an amazing herbalist..so we will figure out what our next step is..i hate conventional doctors and the mere thought of surgery scares the hell out of me..praying its never an option and we can figure this out before his adult teeth come in..please message me for any support or questions..my heart goes out to you..all my best..hugs

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    • I have read all comments and yours makes the most sense to me. My 4 yo child has 3 cavities, she’s seeing a holistic dentist and has had ozone treatments… cavities seem to heal for a few days after treatment but come back. I have noticed now other teeth are starting to change color.
      She is a mouth breather. Please let me know if you have found any possible help for stopping the cavities from spreading or growing.
      Thanks in advance!

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  23. Alla Yeliseyeva via Facebook March 13, 2014 at 4:51 am

    Cure Tooth Decay: Remineralize Your Teeth Naturally Discussion Forum Cure Tooth Decay – Heal Tooth Cavities, Dental Caries, Tooth Abscess

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  24. Brandi Shaw via Facebook March 13, 2014 at 1:18 am

    Make sure you use toothpaste without glycerin. My family all had really bad teeth my 29 year old sister has all dentures, my younger sister gas several teeth rotting out. My youger susters children have perfect teeth, no cavities and they eat crap but their mother rarely brushes their teeth. My neice als has bad teeth and her son eats okayish and she brushes his teeth like your apparently supposed to and at 5 has bad teeth to. Its genetics, its epigenetics, diet, toothpaste.

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  25. Doug Gordon via Facebook March 13, 2014 at 12:09 am

    I’ve fixed dental problems with no sugar no unprepared grains or best yet no grains, add some fermented cod liver oil / raw butter oil. Best to make bone broth too. Follow that for a few weeks and the pain goes away. Up to a few years to fully fill bad teeth. Just my two cents

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  26. This very thing happened to my oldest. We brushed religiously, ate healthy, never took a bottle to bed or even drank milk etc for more than an hour before bed. His front teeth were down to nubs by 4yrs! We found out a few years later that he had Celiac & his body was leaching the calcium from his teeth.

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  27. Jenna Harper via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    Anyone been told their child has something called Enamel Hyperplasia ? My 7 yr daughter has had extensive work done, & im only now finding this all out – the link to diet & phyates. Unfortunately she has many SSC & iv recently learned there is nickel in them. Daunting & all very upsetting . I will get this book, we have an appointment booked with a holistic dentist in 2 weeks

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    • Jenna. My son is 27 mo and has this. He was born prematurely thus the enamel didn’t develop as it should so not only lacking enamel for strength but his teeth are super soft and pretty much decaying out of his head. Dentist wants to pull out his 4 front teeth that are the worst and unable to be saved with crowns. Fill 3 cavities and we have to wait on his back molars because if they come in the same he will need crowns immediately on them. We are beside ourselves.

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  28. I have halted the tooth decay that started on my son’s four front teeth after a tooth chipped after a very bad fall. We have been using broth and FCLO/BO, but iodine used topically on the cavities was the tipping point for us. They have been stable for 5 months and continue to improve.

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    • Sara, what kind of iodine did you use? We take Lugol’s (6.25 mg) but I’m wondering if that’s a bit strong to use for this (plus, it tastes GROSS plain.)

      Thanks!

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  29. Erin Griffin via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    I’m in a similar situation with my 17 month old and myself turns out. The first thing i did was read rami nagel’s book, cure tooth decay -great and overwhelming! He has dietary suggestions that are great but difficult. He suggests that poor nutrition is the cause-lots if research from Weston price etc. what i am doing is this: cut sugar and grain (some honey) nuts/seeds, caffeine – added raw milk, raw cheese, grass Fed butter, fermented cod liver oil blended with high vitamin butter oil, bone broth (Home made), grass fed meat, farm eggs, lots of vegetables, limited fruit (he says no fruit…I’m unsure of this, also says no sugar, honey etc, i think our bodies need some…) Fermented food, saurkraut etc And supplements-all standard process bio dent, cataplex a-c,p and one other… We are a month in. I think the 5 day change is miss leading… I think it takes longer, i also think I’ve had a vit a and d deficiency for my whole life so i have a lot of catching up to do. I also just ordered licorice sticks to use as tooth brushes -they are anti bacterial etc, saw a cool blog post of aguy just making that one change and all 6 of his cavities healed. To brush currently I’m using eco dent tooth powered, the baking soda and salt are key with some collidal silver to kill any bacteria. I’m also oil pulling with coconut oil (starting today! Daily for myself, just found my cavity today). And i feed coconut oil to the little. We’ve been at most of this one month, i can’t tell if there is change for him and i just found mine so… I’m keeping at it i think it can take 3-12 months… nutrition!!! Get rid of processed packaged food. Buy nourishing traditions, baby steps, but it’s good! I’ve also read some people just adding the fermented cod liver oil and that that made a huge difference and reversed decay. Good luck! Pm me to talk more!

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  30. Leanne Scorah via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    Look at the research of Dr Weston Price. Good teeth start in utero. Traditional diets of aboriginal people created strong facial structure and strong teeth.

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  31. Julie Homer via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    My friend had excellent results with doterra onguard. It has been shown to decrease periodontal disease. Message me for pictures of her sons teeth. The cavities went away.

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    • Hi,
      I know about doTERRA oils. I would love to know more about how to heal cavities with onguard. I’ve been using melaluca.
      … and I would love to see pics :)!

      Thank you!!!

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  32. Laila Abdullah via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    I would never let a baby of mine get a root canal! It can be a source of life-long infection and inflammation, and is reportedly a major influence in causing cancer.

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  33. Kathy DiStefano via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    Hi – I am a registered pediatric dental hygienist and find this so very interesting. The biggest and worth repeating biggest problem is that parents are never educated by the pediatrician about nursing, and bottle feeding the child and having the child sleep for 8-10 hrs with milk on the teeth. By the time they are 3 and visit the dentist ( which by the way should be done at age 1 ) child will already have severe tooth decay that will inevitably need pulpotemies (baby root canals) or extractions if infected. I urge parents not to play dentist and try reversing tooth decay if it is advanced. The problem is that infection in the tooth is in the bone and can spread to the brain. X-rays are needed to determine the severity. It is such common occurance and is all preventable with thorough brushing 3 x daily …. And reducing the JUICE. If parents would remove juice which is nothing more than sugar water, dentists would be starving everywhere!

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  34. Kym Sheppard via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    Poor girl.
    Might be worth getting some Blood tests to check calcium, magnesium etc. low magnesium will reduce calcium absorption. Low calcium could cause teeth to crumble.
    Reduce sugar including honey, etc.

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  35. Genetic factors, 3 out of 4 siblings had falling apart teeth and lousy enamel, one who is now 60 had nd still has gorgeous teeth, 3 out of 4 grandparents had terrible teeth and that was pre antibiotics and pre fluoride days parents need to quite beating themselves up …we are not in control of everything

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  36. H.t. Nelson via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    It starte because of that and was made worse by family as baby sitters sneaking improper drinks an foods into his diet when I wasn’t around

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  37. H.t. Nelson via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    TOO MANY ANTIBIOTICS (even organic apples have them – for ear infections, we went to extremely gentle lymph node massage below the earsz

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  38. Emily Brower Clark via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    My children had malformed enamel, causing their teeth to start to crumble as soon as they came in. After trying everything I could find, we were told about BioDent, a supplement by Standard Process (available at many chiropractors and natural health doctors). Now the dentist said that their teeth were in great condition and that they appeared to have no enamel problems with their adult teeth.

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  39. H.t. Nelson via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    We ran into this too – I bought all the clays and xylitol, etc., but there was just nothing to be done. I sought out natural dentists but they wanted buku dollars and didn’t take our insurance.. Didn’t matter – they recommended the work get done, too!
    Anyway, the cause was his own enamel and

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  40. Bini Robinson via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Wow, this must be incredibly difficult for the parents to deal with. It’s too bad that mainstream medicine dominates our lives and parents may not even know that there are options. Thanks for sharing

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  41. Melisa Hills via Facebook March 12, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    One thing I want to point out before everyone gets started is that quite often, it is not anything that the parent did wrong. 2 of my children (worst in the youngest) had enamel issues that were present from the moment their teeth came through the gums. Our youngest is has had her top front 4 teeth capped and just had her 3rd steel crown put on yesterday. We have done everything possible to stop the problem, but if the enamel is weak or not there at all, it is hard to come back from it. We are just praying that her adult teeth are okay (her big sisters are).

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  42. Great info! I cannot imagine a pediatric dentist pushing to have a bunch of procedures at once though. I’ve been a follower for a while and when I discovered that my 20 month old son had a cavity I started looking into nutritional deficiencies etc as the root problem. Anyway, back to my point. My oldest child has had several cavities and needed numerous procedures but these were ALWAYS spread out over the course of 2-3 appointments and done with only Nitrus Oxide.

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  43. Tania Goldberg via Facebook December 19, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Brandt Miller, THANK YOU. My husband is a pediatric dentist and I read these things and just roll my eyes. Cavities are caused by bacteria. We give this bacteria to our children by sharing spoons, kissing their hands (you know they go in their mouth next), etc. Then we provide this flora with lots of refined sugars (juice, snacks, sweets, even healthy foods) and let them snack between meals. And then we put them to sleep with a bottle of milk (FYI: lactose is SUGAR). Here’s the real news: your tooth brushing and flossing stands NO chance. Think of cavities as a bacterial infection, and all of a sudden it will make sense. Good hygiene, diet and mouth-to-mouth transfer are the answers. There’s no magic tricks. Sorry.

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    • A healthy mouth with good strong teeth thanks to proper nutrition, is populated with good bacteria, as is the healthy body in general. The research of Dr. Weston A. Price clearly showed that nutrition is key. Unfortunately the widespread use of antibiotics has created a problem for the good bacteria that should populate our mouth and gut (and skin, etc.). Lactofermented foods like kefir and sauerkraut can help to correct that imbalance of microbes. Dr. Price found that all the really healthy tribes he visited included some living lactofermented foods in their diet, but those foods are pretty rare these days, except for those of us aware of their importance.

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  44. Brandt Miller via Facebook December 19, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    If it’s not too much to ask, could the author please provide references? You state (1) the CDC reports preschooler teeth are in really bad shape; (2) dentist everywhere confirm this; (3) all income levels are affected; (3) checkups and brushing doesn’t help; (4) 6-10 cavities are common. I’ll keep an open mind, but answer me this: Where did you get this information? Where is the CDC report? Until you provide the sources for these points you present, I have no way of knowing if they are true.

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  45. Elizabeth Anthes via Facebook December 19, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    There are a lot of preterm and early term babies now too. Some of the necessary vitamins don’t cross over in large quantities until very near 40 weeks.

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  46. Eleanor Bell via Facebook December 19, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Cutting phytates by properly preparing grains or cutting them is so important. Gouda cheese is very good for vit K too.

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  47. I wish it was that simple for us. We already ate a wapf diet before the decay, so junk food wasn’t the culprit. We have been giving extra clo, butter oil, broth, etc, but the decay is still progressing although slowly. It’s very frustrating.

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  48. Elizabeth Barber LeDoux via Facebook December 19, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Much of this is hereditary. Many families on Natural Alternatives for Kids Teeth FB page are struggling with everything they’ve got to fight decay and FCLO/BO isn’t enough. We all struggle with conventional dentists!

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  49. I think dentists don’t believe it because they have never actually seen it work…I’ve never had a patient willing to try this. I have patients unwilling to stop feeding their 3 year old Mountain Dew. I remain skeptical because I have only ever seen internet people talk about it working. I have never seen it presented at a conference, never seen a “reputable” peer reviewed article about it, never seen a colleague have a patient on whom it worked. I have never seen it in an actual patient, I have never seen actual radiographs in person with evidence of healing. I’d truly love to see it in person to help put my skepticism at rest.

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  50. Melisa Hills via Facebook December 19, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Sometimes, it happens because of nothing anyone did wrong. Our youngest has horrible issues….and they started showing up when the teeth were coming through the gums. I did the same thing with all of my children, but the girls have problem teeth and the boys don’t. The youngest girl has it the worst. We can only pray that her adult teeth come in healthy like her big sister’s teeth did. We have been doing things along these lines to slow things down so maybe we don’t have to cap all of her teeth….we shall see. The dental work is not cheap, that is for certain.

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    • Hi, thank you so much for sharing. My younger one has really babd teeth and the enamel of all his front teeth are pretty much gone. The yellow dentin a are showing. I am taking extreme measure to hope to stop the decay with no surgery. It’s so encouraging to hear that your kids were able too. Can u please share a little more of your experience? Many thanks!!!

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  51. Courtney Gosvener via Facebook December 19, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    People who say they cant do CLO with their kids. I take it myself and have thought about that. Why not make your kid a healthy smoothie with milk and cacao and coconut palm sugar and use coconut oil infused cod liver oil like I use.the stuff tastes pretty good. I take it straight without putting it in anything but for kids I am gonna try the smoothie.

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  52. Janel Berchielli what brand did you have success with your child taking? My 3 year old’s teeth are crumbling away (no juice, very little sugar) but he has a very limited diet as he’s so picky. I can’t figure out how to get the butter/fco down him either.

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  53. Teresa Cavender via Facebook December 19, 2013 at 7:21 am

    Elizabeth Sullivan-Abshier I didn’t read this, but the title made me think of your son if he still has a painful tooth.

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  54. Annabel Varda Mora via Facebook December 19, 2013 at 12:26 am

    My early tooth decay being monitored by my dentist reversed completely after using CLO. Unfortunately, I give it to my toddler with a little bit (2-3 oz) of juice (preferably green) to wash it down, but, hey, it works!!

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  55. Rachel Fettig Klessig via Facebook December 18, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    I have had fillings in most of my molars (12 years ago). I was to the dentist last week for a cleaning and because I was aware of a cavity on the side of one of my back teeth and I wanted it checked out. I could catch the end of my fingernail in the side of the tooth. It has been there for over a year and we were trying to do some things as a family to try and cure decay (one of our daughters has some problems and recently had a tooth crowned…she is 8 years old). We have drank raw dairy from our own cows for the last 7 years and raise all our own meat. We also make bone broths for soups but we do not just consume bone broth on a regular or daily basis. I do use my home canned chicken stock in other things on a regular basis though. I took CLO for awhile but it makes me severely nauseated and I had to quite taking it.

    Anyway, they said that there were cavities underneath my old fillings (they are the white fillings and they did replace 2 mercury fillings). Yesterday, they drilled them out to fix them and he found no decay underneath. There were just gaps or voids under them. He had no explanation on why they would be like this and declared he has never seen anything like it. He said that when they were originally filled the other dentist that did them could have used a filler material underneath and that it can dissolve over time but there was no remnant of it at all and he found it all very strange. I had 5 teeth on one side of my mouth filled yesterday but there was not actually any decay. They are saying there are 5 on the other side of my mouth as well and I am leery about having any more work done if there is not really any problems.

    Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Could there have been decay that had healed itself and left the void space under my fillings?

    I, of course, mentioned to him that we are trying to remineralize our teeth and cure the decay and strengthen our teeth through diet and use of better/healthier tooth paste and he thinks it’s all hogwash.

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  56. Janel Berchielli via Facebook December 18, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    I just shared with friends today our success too. However I was unable to get my picky child to take the butter/cod oil you suggested I tried another brand and 8 months ago a dentist said lots of cavities and now after taking the CLO for only a month today dentist said no cavities at all on X-ray!

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    • Janel Berchielli, do you mind sharing what other brand of cod liver oil you gave your son? I am picky like your son–I find the fermented cod liver oil hard to take! I am looking for an alternative brand that actually helps heal cavities.

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  57. Erika Viscovich via Facebook December 18, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    I read another article recently that tooth decay is caused primarily due to lack of vitamins and minerals in their diets. Makes sense!! Nutrition cures all :)

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  58. Sara Jo Contreras via Facebook December 18, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    I overheard a mom telling her toddler he could’t have candy at 9am but he needed to drink his juice. This is the problem. May as well give him the candy. Juice is so so bad. And store bought juice is pasturized nothing-ness with tons of sugar!!

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  59. Erika Viscovich via Facebook December 18, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Haven’t read the article yet but my kids are 5 and 7. Not one cavity. I don’t allow much sugar. They don’t have a whole lot of processed food. Very little GMO’s. And I use fluoride FREE toothpaste from melaleuca which contains melaleuca oil.

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  60. Our son had a treatment done to his teeth (it was a seal of some kind that they put on and used something like UV light) when he was young and brushes his teeth every day and drinks tap water with fluoride in it. He has never had a cavity. He is 22 years old.

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  61. Brenna Aschbacher via Facebook December 18, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    I have 3 kids 6-11yrs…we have had NO cavities the last 6 check-ups (3 years). Yes, we’re all eating fermented CLO!

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  62. Jennifer Dayley via Facebook December 18, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    I healed my own cavity, and my dentist confirmed it. Don’t let ‘em tell you it’s not possible… It is! :)

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  63. Great discussion. I have some thoughts on this after both failing (first) and then succeeding (eventually) to remineralize my DD’s teeth.

    1) I think Rami’s protocol, while extremely helpful, is not quite complete as stands because it rejects the effect of bacteria and flora imbalance. For teeth to heal, the flora balance, both orally and in the gut, needs to be optimized. And, the gut needs to be healed BEFORE the teeth will (at least this was true in our case). Rami’s protocol also doesn’t really take pH into account, and differing constitutions. I think attention to these points can be the difference between success and failure.

    2) We are now in the process of trying to heal/remineralize our DS’s teeth, who has similar issues. And I am wondering if anyone has ever tried slathering FCLO/BO blend directly on the teeth? I am thinking of creating a “tooth gel” that consists of FCLO/BO, coconut oil, a little calc mag powder (perhaps colloidal form?), and perhaps an herbal agent such as white oak powder. Has anyone tried this and if so, to what measure of success?

    Thanks so much; GREAT conversation and keep on keeping on to all the parents out there trying to heal their kiddos!!!!

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  64. I’m with you, Brandon. Genetics is a real science. That’s why some kids with crap diets can have good teeth. a friend of mine grew up in a very neglectful household where she drink orange soda from her bottle, and have hot dogs almost everyday. she’s 33 and never had a cavity. two of my brothers have perfect straight cavity free teeth. My other bother and I head same diet, but have terrible teeth. my oldest son who is 3 has spectacular teeth, and my youngest son who is 18 months has terrible teeth.

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  65. I find this very hard to believe.
    Where are the before and after pictures?
    If this is true, why cant anyone reverse their decay? Decay just doesnt go away, it spreads.
    If not treated can cause more issues.

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  66. I agree diet is do important Most of the instant food is garbage and high in acidity. It destroys kids teeth very, very quickly.

    I love your pinterest pin. I followed it right to your site. I am very passionate about helping to stop tooth decay in children. I also just wrote a book to help stop it. Please check out my sit if you are interested. I am also interested in advertising on your site, because I think irt rocks, … thanks

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  68. this is amazing! but makes me sad because my son (who we brushed his teeth 2-3 times a day) dentist said he had an enamel defect. the enamel would just peal off his teeth. but anyways 3 dentist later at only 20 months he had to have oral sugery and had his front four teeth removed! I cant even explain how horrible I felt! he on the other hand felt 100 times better. his father and family on his fathers side all have teeth enamel problems also multiple abseced teeth which my son also had in his front two teeth they could see in the xray. I wish I would have found this and tried it first! but my son again has issue with a new molar and we are definitely starting this right away!! thanks you times a million!

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  69. Please don’t talk down dentists. My husband is a dentist and while most of you think “he is just trying to make money” or acts like a “used car salesman” he is actually trying to help you. One of the best ways to avoid tooth decay is obviously diet. HELLO! I don’t think that is rocket science! The worst he has seen in his office is parents who give their child bottles with milk or juice to bed. He had one lady who was 25 and didn’t want to take proper care of her teeth or change her diet. She had all her teeth pulled for dentures. Isn’t that sad? At 25 dentures. Do you think he wanted to pull all of those teeth for her? No! There was no other option. If you are not going to take care of your teeth you cannot leave the problems in your teeth and just think they will “go away.” Severe infections can lead to systemic infections, bone loss and many other problems. What I’m trying to say is yes try this method! Change your diet! And if it doesn’t work? Visit your dentist. If you think he is too expensive, or “a used car salesman,” find a different one because there are a lot of good dentists who actually care about you. And I know many of you will not like this, but guess what fluoride actually does work !! It is the best way to prevent cavities.

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  70. I watched my own teeth and gums go from getting fairly regular small cavities and daily bleeding with brushing to no more cavities and only rare bleeding (if something gets lodged in my gum, like a popcorn hull, it will fester and then release the troublesome bit, then no more bleeding). We have been eating a WPF type diet for years but we live at a very northern latitude (62 degrees N) and I never got enough vitamin D. When I started supplementing with D-3 (50K once a week at first, then doubled that for a few more years) my teeth and gums normalized. I floss, but irregularly, and I frequently miss my night time brushing but my teeth and gums are the healthiest they’ve ever been.
    Bone broth, LOTS of coconut oil, bacon fat and pastured butter (plus fclo), minimal sugar and grains, and lots of cooked greens are also what I attribute the change to.
    I also need to add that I am 55 now and my dental problems had been occurring since childhood. They were exacerbated by having four children in under six years (from age 36 to almost 42). I had just found Nourishing Traditions around the time I conceived my now 16yo. but implementing it took time and I was completely unfamiliar with healthy child spacing.
    My 18 year old (the oldest of these four) had the worst of the decay issues in my kids. She was also the only one of them who received a regular immunization schedule AND I let her eat chewable vitamin C. Those are the only differences I have been able to come up with between her and her younger siblings. She chooses a very good diet now and her adult teeth are healthy and strong but her poor little baby teeth had issues with decay.
    Hope this helps someone and gives hope and/or a warning to others.

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  71. I’ve been hearing about very young children’s teeth crumbling and falling out of their mouths now for the last few years, and have been very disturbed by it. These are people I personally know who know others with this problem. Nearly 3 years ago, my parents had a neighbor (who has since moved away) whose third child was born with basically no enamel on his teeth and his teeth started crumbling apart, and he was only a little over a year old. The family was very distraught and didn’t know what to do. I mentioned the Ramiel Nagel book to my mother, lent it to her, and also said that she was welcome to loan it to her neighbor. She said she didn’t think the mother would be interested. How sad is that? Not only did my mother not mention this book to the family, but I am pretty sure nothing has changed and that little boy will likely always have severe tooth issues. I guess some people just don’t want to know.

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  72. My daughter, 4 years, was recently diagnosed with four cavities the dentist wants to fill and two smaller ones beginning. I am reading the book you suggest, but I do not want to add organ meat in our diet. I am looking into adding the cod liver oil and butter oil to get concentrated amounts of the fat soluble vitamins immediately. Can you explain more of what you changed in your diet? I am a mom who wants my child’s cavities to heal without fillings. Please help.

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  75. I wonder, for the people that are struggling after diet change, if there are additional underlying problems. For example, maybe your body isn’t absorbing nutrient’s like with Celiac’s or other autoimmune diseases. Maybe working on something like the GAPS diet or cutting out certain foods to see if anything specific bothers you or your children could help. Just something that’s been on my mind as of late…

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  76. I felt the need to comment. My daughters tooth decay started at 18 months however, she was born with Lyme disease. We are an herbal/homeopathic family. I tried the GAPS protocol but for her it was too acid forming. When I added lots of greens and removed meats, I kept the cod liver oil and added non GMO vitamin K it really helped. I also removed grains. I actually saw her teeth start to remineralize. Unfortunately, my husband was not helpful and sabotaged my attempts progress so we ended up pulilng some teeth. Horrible experience. Anyway, during this time I was testing her oral PH which was around 4. I think that for some people they may need more vegetables and less meat. While I follow a Weston Price type diet my daughter has a different constitution and blood type than I do and seems to do better on a more vegetables based diet. Just a thought.

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  77. I have a dentist who follows Weston Price himself and he knows how powerful this knowledge is. He also never just fill teeth if damage can be reversed.

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  78. I hope someone can help me out or point me in the right direction. My 7 year old son has struggled with cavities since he was 3. I breast-fed him for a year, and since he has food allergies/sensitivities since a baby, I have been using organic fruits and vegetables, grass-fed meats, free range chickens and eggs, and a year ago I was finally able to get raw milk. He doesn’t get candy except for Halloween and Easter and rarely has juice, and even rarely has a soda.

    His dentist thinks the problem is reflux. I don’t want to put him on medications, so I’ve tried raw apple cider mixed with water and honey, which his dentist recommended as she is very open to natural methods, but he just wouldn’t drink it. We went gluten-free, but I don’t know if that has had much effect. He is due for another dental appointment, but we are in Germany temporarily (non-military) and can’t take him until we return at the end of February. He did not have any cavities last visit in May. I am currently giving him tea with ganoderma that an American friend here in Germany gave me, because it helped her with reflux. We also cannot get raw milk right now.

    My question is: given these circumstances, will this diet help my son? I would like to know if it would help before spending money only to be disappointed. Also, my husband is very skeptical of everything, and I need to have something substantial to present to him.

    Thanks!

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  79. Great post! Nigel’s book is excellent and very helpful for anyone who wants to learn to heal teeth. I wanted to add that three things I’ve seen assist in remineralization are the GAPS protocol (b/c of its high fat, high collagen, high use of CLO diet), white oak bark (a botanical medicine known for its remineralization properties), and oil pulling with coconut oil (detoxes mouth/body and can strengthen teeth).

    Also, for anyone not yet using Blue Ice CLO, I love and recommend the cinnamon variety of Blue Ice fermented CLO/butter oil gel. My kids beg for it daily, and my husband loves it…he’d gobble it down if I didn’t tell him how expensive it was, LOL!!
    Gabi\’s last post: Fat Is Your Friend!

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  80. I’m in the process of incorporating diet changes as part of my treatment in my practice. I have only had a handful of patients who are interested though. For most, it is easier to get the cavities filled than to start making daily bone broth and take cod liver oil. Some of the more natural minded parents are very willing to try though, and so soon, over the next few months and years, I will find out if its working. I have a lot of faith in the Weston Price way of eating; this is how we eat at our home, and my children don’t have cavities. I will have to admit something I know some of you won’t like though :-) I am trying to tackle the small cavities from the inside (diet changes), and the from the outside (xylitol gum and fluoride varnish txt at the office). If I can get the teeth of my patients to remineralize with diet only, I will eventually drop the xylitol and varnish. For now, I’m still recommending it because I’ve personally seen it work. I believe the present paradigm of how dentistry is done has to change. We should not be rewarded more if we are more invasive. We have to strive for teaching prevention.

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    • Harmony,
      I hope you can help me out. My 7 year old son has struggled with cavities since he was 3. I breast-fed him for a year, and since he has food allergies/sensitivities since a baby, I have been using organic fruits and vegetables, grass-fed meats, free range chickens and eggs, and a year ago I was finally able to get raw milk, although at present we are living in Germany and I have not been able to get it. He doesn’t get candy except for Halloween and Easter and rarely has juice, and even rarely has a soda.

      His dentist thinks the problem is reflux. I don’t want to put him on medications, so I’ve tried raw apple cider mixed with water and honey, which his dentist recommended as she is very open to natural methods, but he just wouldn’t drink it. We went gluten-free, but I don’t know if that has had much effect. He is due for another dental appointment, but we are in Germany temporarily (non-military) and can’t take him until we return at the end of February. He did not have any cavities last visit in May. I am currently giving him tea with ganoderma that an American friend here in Germany gave me, because it helped her with reflux.

      My question is: given these circumstances, and that fact that we eat pretty healthy already, will this diet help my son? I would like to know if it would help before spending money only to be disappointed. Also, my husband is very skeptical of everything, and I need to have something substantial to present to him.

      I would appreciate you input very much. I have been stressing over this for years and want desperately to take care of the problem instead of covering it up with meds and constant fillings.

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  81. That interesting some still believe even as a part of this community that breastfeeding for a long time causes tooth decay. My son is still breastfeeding at almost 4 and no cavities. We are also not perfect with his diet and he’s a picky eater.

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  82. I can attest to this, since the last time i brought my 8yr old son to the dentist, which was a year ago, he informed me that one of his fillings had fallen out, & that he wanted to replace it as soon as possible. Just before this time i had signed up to receive by email a certain # of pages of the book cure tooth decay. When the dentist said that to me , i asked him to give me some time to see if with diet, i could get my son’s tooth to rebuild . He of course looked at me like i had 7 heads, then told me that i would be back to the dentist within a month & my son would have an abcess tooth that would have to be extracted. My son has had absolutely no pain whatsoever since then. I only wish i had this info yrs ago before i let them put any fillings in his mouth. Even though i have never been able to get him to go grain free, he drinks tons of raw milk & bone broth.

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  83. Caprice Salas-Woodall via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    My daughter just turned one and has only four teeth. They do seem to have small of discoloration and I was told not to worry. I myself am tongue tied and have awful teeth. I definitely worry she will have dental issues as well. I requested to join the support group in hopes to get some ideas to help her. Thank you so much for posting this!

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  84. Cherie Brantner via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Wow…….I have never heard of this. But it makes sense and explains why I had such trouble breastfeeding my first child. He’s now 28 so that tells you how old I am, lol.

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  85. Actually, our brains can very well function without any carbohydrates in our food – our body can make sugar from protein and fat, but the overall and best brain-fuel comes from fat, that is broken down into ketones. That´s why ketogenic diets work for epilepsy an migraines. Even babies´ brains use ketones at first. What you say about the dangers of eating grains with sugar, especcially whole meal products with sugar, has been known for a long time, but is seldom mentioned. Of course the bacteria in the gut and mouth play an important role as well when it comes to tooth decay.

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  86. This is really interesting and I’ll be looking into it further! After a dentist’s appointment a couple of weeks ago where I learned my 12 year old has two cavities, I bought the FCLO and butter oil (I’d been wanting to do it but the cost had put me off, however having a really good reason prompted me). However, I think I’ll also look at the approach in Rami Nagel’s book and try and hit the issue head on! He’s going back to the dentist next week to have his teeth cleaned, but at the last appointment she said she’d probably have to make a couple of appointments for him in order to get the fillings done (one cavity was very small and the other quite bad… looks as if the tooth in that instance had some “weakness” that made it prone to decay).

    Honestly I’ve had no experience with decay up until now as I never suffered from it myself. My 14 year old son also has not had decay (although he is prone to tartar build up). I think genetics must play a factor as well as diet, as I’m pretty sure my diet was not 100% perfect growing up (although up until the age of 12 or so I was never allowed to drink Coke!) and nor was my dental hygeine always as good as it is now! (For all that, though, both my parents had had extensive decay as kids). I knew one little girl when we were growing up who had dreadful tooth decay and her parents were always taking her to the dentist, making sure she cleaned her teeth, fed her a good diet etc. etc. so I do think multiple factors come into play when it comes to decay and you can’t always blame the parents for feeding their kids crap! (Not that this NEVER occurs of course!)

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  87. We are still working on healing a tooth at our house. For quite some time we followed Weston Price, raw milk, cod liver oil, etc, but we have seen more progress and healing and at a faster rate since we started following the recommendations of Ray Peat which means eating sugar and protein together, for instance chocolate milk or sweet milk, and never eating sugar with grains, which is what most people eat that is harmful (cake, cookies). My understanding is that sugar and protein together helps the metabolism and helps the body to heal at a faster rate. Do not confuse this with eating Twinkies and junk food. Everyone is so against sugar, but they have forgotten that our brains need sugar to function.

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    • Marian Motherhood December 9, 2012 at 5:14 pm

      this is really interesting too. i am sick and tired of the paleo bandwagon, demonizing all sugar and grains. even nuts seeds and beans! Sarah even has an article about why some people think they have to be grain free to be healthy, and why that is just not the case.

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  88. Bam! There’s the man himself! Rami, I want to send a personal and extremely heartfelt “thank you” for everything you’ve done for children and families who suffer from tooth decay. You’ve played a tremendous role in truly nourishing my child. We’ve gone from a child who’s teeth were rabidly crumbling, had an autoimmune response to most foods, and could not digest fruits and vegetables, to a happy little boy who is HEALTHY and thriving, nor more constant sicknesses. Thank you!

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    • Yes, thank you Rami for your excellent research! You have helped many, many people. I used one of your articles in a class I taught today. Thank you, thank you!

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  89. Hi Christy,

    Preconception and pregnancy diet makes all the difference when it comes to the health of the child as well as the density of children’s teeth. That is part of why I wrote, “Healing Our Children.” Edward Mellanby found during his research 20′s, 30′s, 40′s that somewhere around 60-70% of children’s teeth are not well formed. The father’s diet and overall health also matters quite a bit. Same with how much stress the mom is in during pregnancy.

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    • When I was pregnant I suffered from nausea and loss of appetite… I had no idea about Weston Price diet (yet) and only when I was maybe 6 months pregant could I gain some weight. I went through a lot of family problems all of which made me (and my little baby) go through tremendous amounts of stress. I received 3 doses of IV antibiotics during labor for a positive Strep B test (and my baby was born via C-Section). I had no idea about this information I just read!
      My baby had Weston Price formula since she was 4-5 months and then she began to thrive! No more supermarket formula! My question is… can diet alone prevent and/or fix problems like the ones you described in your post, Rami? I already have your book and am worried not only for what I wrote but also as I notice that sometimes my baby sleeps with her mouth opened… I shut it gently and sometimes she stays with her mouth closed (other times not)… she also seems to have a lip tie. Any help is heartily appreciated!

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  90. Hi Brandi,

    you are the first person whose child did not have good results who has claimed to follow my dietary advice.

    Does your child consume bone broth regularly?
    Sea foods?
    Sea weed?
    Liver?
    Bone marrow?
    Colostrum?
    Skate liver oil?

    What is your source of calcium?

    GAPS may not stop dental problems because their could be a lack of calcium or more subtle trace minerals. GAPS can be a good diet for people but it may not focus the person towards healing cavities.

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    • Dear Mr. Nagel,

      “you are the first person whose child did not have good results who has claimed to follow my dietary advice”

      For that statement to be true you would need to know every single case who (claimed to have) tried your protocol.

      The diet you recommend could never feed any larger population of the earth. Animal products need far too much water and plant material to be produced. They are also a major contributor to global warming (if it is man made, see the film “MEAT the truth”).

      Even if your diet would be the only way to heal cavities, I still would choose to live mostly on plant-food. And I do have 2 small cavities right now and I do not intend to see a dentist.

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  91. Nancie C. Mathis via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    My fourth son was breastfed for 3.5 years and had nursing caries. I was mortified. The dentist thought I was giving him bottles of juice and milk at night. Never, only nursing; we don’t consume juice and I don’t buy it. I *did* have iv abx during labor for a kidney infection that no meds would touch during my pregnancy. I have since realized that his being the fourth child combined with the diet of the previous generation or so in my family has contributed. I was beginning to eliminate grains from my own diet, but certainly not all, and did eat lots of eggs, avocados, and salmon along with butter while pg with him. I’m so glad that never believed the “fat is bad for you” hype and have kept it in my diet, along with other good fats, for almost thirty years. However, my vegetarian grain-based diet has wrecked my health and my own teeth. We are a family in transition, since my husband eschews animal flesh and fat, relying on grains and beans for approx. 80% of his diet. I have a ways to go in getting my children on a more traditional diet, but they do get good fats in their diet. I started them on CLO about a month ago, so we’ll see.

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  92. Our group for anyone who would like to network with other mom’s walking down this path. It is an incredibly emotional issue for most of us, made worse by the idea by some that we feed a poor diet or don’t brush our child’s teeth. This is a safe place to vent, ask questions, offer advice. This is most definitely a Weston A. Price friendly group, but we come from all walks. http://www.facebook.com/groups/523381421012243/?fref=ts

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  93. It’s not always a sugar thing either. Most of the mothers in our group don’t do sugar or processed food. Tooth decay has a lot to do with maternal health during gestation. And every child is different, some may respond very well to Nigel’s protocol and some may have some other underlying factor involved. Just because the enamel continues to erode does not mean progress is not being made internally. We see tooth decay as a whole body issue, especially gut. Also, tooth decay in young children is also linked to celiac disease. So, if mom’s breastfeeding, she absolutely needs to follow Nigel’s plan too.

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  94. Jen Tavolacci via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    someone suggested “return to motherhood, stop giving your kids sugar”. i was in this same boat about a year ago – my little one started having cavities (shortly after i started feeding her homemade cereals at home). she NEVER ate anything with sugar in it, no juice, no candy, no cakes/cookies… NOTHING. but the decay was very quick. thank goodness for people like weston a.price, ramiel nagel, and the healthy home economist, without whom i would still be dealing with cavities!

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  95. I’m having similar results, but in at a much slower pace. My daughter’s teeth began decaying at 2 years old and I followed the dentists advice for a year (fluoride varnish, mi paste, night weaned). At 3 years of age we got the same diagnosis as above. I immediately began researching and reading Nourishing Traditions and Cure Tooth Decay. Now, 7 months later her cavities appear to be hard and the decay has not gotten any bigger.

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  96. Larry Underwood, your statement is 100% incorrect. ECC can effect any child, regardless of feeding choice. My son is 2.5 years old, breastfed, never had formula in his life and was diagnosed with 8 cavities when he was 20 months old. It is related to multi-generational malnutrition. I’m a moderator of a larger fb group that is for children with ECC and I’ve seen maybe one person post who’s child was formula fed. It can encompass everyone, from any back round. It is has become an epidemic in this country.

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  97. We have been following a Wapf diet to years. I breastfed my children – first for 4 years and then second for 2 and counting. They eat lots off good fats and nutrient dense foods. I eat well and nutrient dense. We eat no refined sugar, sourdough any grains, but don’t eat tons. Like others have said, my first has beautiful, straight, perfectly spaced teeth. Even if she doesn’t consistently brush – no cavities. I found cavities in my second before she turned two. She had five filled in the chair because i caught them so early. Even with FCLO/BO there are more white spots coming on her teeth, dentist has given us some homeopathic stuff. Some I think is due to a lip tie and tighter teeth….but still so hard to deal with. There is not a lot more we could do diet wise….we don’t eat anything processed. :(

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    • sounds like us, with the second child. i suspect that it was my breastfeeding during pregnancy that caused my second child’s teeth to be poorly formed (pits) that led to decay. she also has hypoplasia (sp?) on the teeth that rotted, as well as the front teeth.

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      • I think some here are overlooking what could be a major contributing factor to their poor results, child spacing. When you don’t give your body enough time to replenish, the next child will have less nutrients to draw from during development in the womb. 3 years is the recommended spacing for this very reason. It seems that some folks here are railing against the diet theory when as one said, they have 5 children between ages 1.5 and 3.

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        • I have four children. First two, spaced two years. Next spaced 2.5 years. Last spaced almost 3 years.

          The two with bad teeth are numbers 1 and 3. Two and four are healthy. That the first child has unhealthy teeth seems to contradict it.

          Of course diet plays a role. And nursing, and child spacing, and the particular genetics that child inherits. It seems that there are multiple factors, and some are more predisposed one way or the other.

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  98. Sarah Couture Pope via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Joselyn Hoffman Schutz how long were your children on GAPS? Did you consult with a GAPS practicioner about your lack of results?

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  99. Deb Holter via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    i had to limit fruit (the only sugar we used) we did ozone, and GAPS for three months and the decay stopped!

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  100. No healthy families would have kids with rotting teeth. Over consumption of sugar feeds bacteria and bacteria releases acid waste, equals rotting teeth. Over consumption of sugar also robs the body of nutrients, depletes your immune system, feeds gut bad bacteria. Ages you. Sadly children are constantly supplied junk today.

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    • This is not true. We are an extremely healthy family and my daughter’s teeth began decaying at 2 years of age. She rarely drank juice or had any sweets prior to her decay.

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    • Marian Motherhood December 9, 2012 at 5:11 pm

      Amanda, we are in the same boat as Christina. Very healthy Weston Price diet with lots of organ meats, no refined sugar, juice, or white flour at all. one child with teeth so rotten at age 3 they had to be removed. nobody else in our family of 5 has ever had a cavity.

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      • There is obviously an hereditary influence when only one child in family has a problem, but it could be that child has an unusually high need for some nutrient – vitamin D for getting calcium into the body, or vitamin K2 for assuring the calcium goes where it’s supposed to go – into teeth and bones. Since our foods are mostly grown on depleted soils these day, he could be missing a crucial trace mineral that is needed to overcome the problem. Is he getting plenty of probiotics (fermented foods) to assure a healthy gut that will absorb the nutrients. Did this child get mixed up with some toxin that is messing up his system? A visit to a naturopath or chiropractor who does nutritional testing might identify the problem and appropriate corrective measures.

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  101. My partner had this problem growing up, though I don’t think it started when he was that young. He says it came from his father’s side of the family. I, on the other hand, have strong teeth and very few cavities, and we were both formula fed. Now, granted, that was back 30, almost 40 some odd years ago and things have definitely changed…

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  102. Marian Motherhood December 9, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    She never says what her diet was like before she switched? I am curious because we have been on a Weston Price diet for 4 years now, and my 3 year old had two teeth removed already. I have read Ramiel’s book, and the only place for us to go from here is to give up grains, which we have mostly done except for quinoa and buckwheat, and an occasional loaf of traditional sourdough bread. I am having a hard time swallowing Ramiel’s take on white flour. It really goes contrary to everything else I have ever read about traditional grain preparation, and he basically says most of what is in Nourishing Traditions on grains/nuts/beans/seeds is wrong. Weston Price foundation also has an article about lectins that says they shouldnt be a problem for a normal person to digest? I suspect GAPS plays a role in this somehow? It just seems like a healthy person without GAPS should be able to eat a Weston Price diet without worrying about tooth decay?

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    • WAPF diet will not assure complete absence of tooth decay. Such a claim as getting perfect teeth contradicts the basic finding of Dr Price. That said, 100% immunity is possible, as he documented in his book in several instances. Without looking at my books for the page numbers, Ramiel has seen 90% success rate and so did Weston Price, give or take some margin of error. Obviously other factors account for the remaining 10% or so. Ramiel covers some of these in his book and this list does include digestion issue that has to do with malabsorption of food. Interestingly enough, Chinese Medicine has a pattern for this called deficiency of spleen chi and cavities are one sign of it. One that I don’t recall in the book but know can be a cause is stress. Another one is crops grown in depleted soils lacking calcium and something called electrochemical compound colloids. A third is body chemistry that needs a lot more attention in specifics than a basic Weston Price diet or even GAPS diet, for that matter. I am referring to RBTI. For more information on this see http://highbrixnutrientdensefoods.com/2012/11/02/more-on-electrochemical-compound-colloid-post-2/.

      Thus, no magic bullet for perfect teeth exists but anyone who seriously wants to stop the bleeding and cultivate good dental health ought to try Ramiel’s protocol or the basic WAPF diet.
      High Brix Nutrient Dense Foods\’s last post: Cravings for Sweets: A Nutrient Dense Farming Perspective

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  103. Christy Mattingly via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    While there are many factors to be considered, like the child’s diet, breastfeeding and brushing habits, I believe that the mother’s diet pre-pregnancy has a great deal to do with it. I have five sons and have breastfed all of them until 1.5 to 3 yrs. While my 1st son has never had a cavity, my others have had progressively worse issues with decay. My 3rd son had a partially enameled baby molar which, of course, ended up with decay. My 4th son had several cavities early on and my 5th son ended up with early severe decay and removal of his front four teeth. I changed to whole foods when I was pregnant with my 3rd son, but didn’t know about the possiblity of my own vitamin D deficiency until the issues with my youngest son’s teeth.

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  104. Sarah Couture Pope via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    It worked for me … diet has already saved me many hundreds of dollars at the dentist. Glad I didn’t wait for “the science”. Waiting for “the science” is a risky and expensive proposition indeed and just keeps your dentist in a big house driving fancy cars.

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  105. Sarah Couture Pope via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Pat Keeley Calia sales pitch for what? Diet change? That’s free and what have you got to lose to try it? If you’re waiting for a peer reviewed study, you’ll be dead before that comes out as it won’t ever be studied as it won’t make anyone any money doing it so no one will ever fund it.

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    • How about if we spent all that money spent fighting for the rights of people to consume and provide raw milk and used it for some scientific studies????

      We have struggled for years using this diet to help with my sons tooth decay. For it to work we have to be incredibly strict. No Sugar period. No fruit no nothing. As he gets older I am finding it harder and harder to always be on top of what he eats and it doesn’t work well if we are not super strict…..

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    • You will never see “published data in a peer reviewed journal on this matter”, because there’s not an organization out there who would pay for the research. There’s no money for anyone to make by “proving” that people should ditch processed foods, eat raw dairy and grass fed and pastured meats. I worked in scientific research for 10 years, and I can assure you it’s not going to happen. This isn’t a sales pitch, it’s a mom sharing what worked to cure her young daughter’s tooth decay.

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      • Time to throw out the peer review research and listen to your neighbor: they don’t have a corporate agenda to push. Ever wonder how we got to the place were nearly every product in the supermarket is not fit for consumption (pesticides and other toxic compounds, GMOs)?

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      • Follow the money and you will see the agenda. I got interested in the WAPF because I could find no sales pitch or money trail, just kind people who are trying to inform. That is where you find truth, when there is little or no money involved.

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      • I totally agree but never say never. My understanding based on accounts of insider perspectives is getting something like this to be submitted and looked at seriously will be no small feat. Too much politics exists in the system that prevents the scientific community at large from examining something like reversing tooth decay primarily though diet. Far too many people naively assume science to be some completely impartial mechanism where all ideas get equal weight and get accepted based on their merits – how idealistic and naive! These people obviously have not studied history.

        I must admit longer term a self correcting mechanism does exist but I have no plans on siting around and waiting for these changes to happen. A start may be to read The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas Kuhn. And yes it will likely take a massive paradigm shift among the dental community to inquire into this.

        Do we have peer reviewed data showing that eating the trash most Americans eat keep the teeth healthy – conducive to optimal dental health? If no, then why recommend such a way of eating? First, we need to prove that eating the way most people eat diet works, right? Many dentists imply nutrition does not affect cavities, let alone reverse them – evidence please?
        High Brix Nutrient Dense Foods\’s last post: Cravings for Sweets: A Nutrient Dense Farming Perspective

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    • LOL It always cracks me up to see someone throw this type of comment in there. So should we all ignore real people sharing real results and allow ourselves to be “blinded by science”? It boggles the mind how some individuals prefer to let “scientific studies” dictate their beliefs, when there are so many factors that can effect the outcome. Just silly. It’s like saying “pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.” Like the old man in “The Wizzard of Ozz.”

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  106. Lisa Sadler via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    This is one of the things that makes me so sad about having my kids living in 2 disparate worlds .. one house (mine) could get them this help & the other does not. They were just taken to the dentist w/o my knowledge where they each had a cavity filled. :P

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    • We’re in the same boat Lisa! I wish I had a solution for dads that feed their kids lots of junk. Mine then dumps the responsibility for dealing with the resultant cavities on me – 6 at last check-up to the tune of $1500. At my place we eat grass fed meats, lots of organic vegetables and some fruit, no juice/pop/sugar, I have tried the FCLO/BO but I can’t seem to undo the negative influence at his dad’s.

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  107. We have a good diet and my daughter was ebf and her teeth had decay before solids and anything other than breastmilk was even introduced. We have done loads of research (probably much more than most of the previous commenters) and this is still a struggle for us. I wish everyone who hasn’t had to deal with tooth decay could step down from their high horse and be thankful instead of being judgemental. Show a little sympathy for goodness sake! This isn’t always diet related in the present. It could be from genetics passed down from parents and grandparents.

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    • I haven’t read any comments from people that seem to be on a “high horse”. Perhaps genetics does play a role, but more importantly is the mother’s diet pre-conception and during pregnancy and breast feeding.

      I am thankful, not judgemental, because I ate an atrocious diet during my pregnancy with my first son, yet he has beautiful teeth. I attribute it to the raw milk, grass fed and pastured meats, and organic veggies and fruits that he weaned on. I discovered Nourishing Traditions and the WAPF website when he was about 6 months old, and determined to transition our diets before he was a year old. To this day he gets very little processed food.

      Best wishes to you and your daughter. I hope you find something that helps her decay.

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  108. Kay Erickson Ehlers via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Andrea Goldman, have you tried high doses of vitamin C? It helped my sister. I think Adele Davis wrote about this.

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  109. Andrea Goldman via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Does anyone know a healing protocol for gingivitis?? I’m already on a paleo diet, but I have Celiac. I’ve been having gum issues for my entire life.

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    • Oil pulling for this will work very well. Coconut oil is the nicest oil. I thought I would gag with doing it, but its does not feel oily in the process.

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    • Any word that ends in -itis means inflammation which is a symptom of a deficiency of essential fats. The body’s most powerful natural anti-inflammatory PGE1 prostaglandin is made ONLY from UNprocessed and unadulterated natural organic omega-6 linoleic acid as found in Evening Primrose oil capsules, the Flora brand of Sunflower, Safflower, and Pumpkinseed oils, and Hempseed oils, all of which are usually only sold at vitamin and health food stores. Do not use Hain sunflower or safflower, they are adulterated processed cooking oils.

      Even though you’re on a Paleo diet make sure you get plenty of regular daily amounts of good fats, and do not avoid any of the good natural saturated fats like coconut oil, bacon grease or especially butter. 100 grams of good butter (a stick is usually 113 g) has 3%, 3 g, of naturally occurring omega-6 linolenic acid and 1% or 1 g of omega-3 alpha linolenic acid at an already perfectly balanced 3 to 1 ratio.

      The body actually has up to 11 times more omega-6 based tissues and requirement than for omega-3, and there is no omega-3 in skin. It’s the omega-6 and omega-3 content of good butterfat that makes butter so good for us and especially for your skin.

      The easiest way to get started is to get a bottle of Hempseed oil which also has an already perfectly balanced 3 to 1 ratio of omega-6 to omega-3. Or you can get a bottle of Evening Primrose oil capsules and a bottle of Flax seed oil capsules and take three evening Primrose caps to 1 flaxseed oil daily.

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  110. Sarah Couture Pope via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Anecdotal of course, but many of the women I know who have children with crumbling teeth had IV antibiotics during labor for a positive Strep B test. Seems the antibiotics prevents the child from getting seeded with any beneficial bacteria from birth which negatively impacts nutrient absorption.

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  111. I think genetics plays a huge role here too, as does the mother’s diet before conception, and during pregnancy, of course. We haven’t always eaten super-healthy, although we do now, and none of my five kids have any tooth decay.

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  112. Jennifer Conn via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    I been struggling for a year and not getting anywhere. Just see her teeth getting worse. I tried so many things and spent hundreds of dollars n also spent many nights crying….Why can’t I get good results? :’( If anyone could pm and help me along the way, I’d be so thankful

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  113. Brandi Freed via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Following “Cure Tooth Decay” protocol doesn’t work for everyone. Following the GAPS Diet didn’t help either. Still use FCLO/BO Blend as well. For years. Nothing halted my 3.5 year olds tooth decay. So incredibly frustrating. 5 days to see results, I’m jealous. 2 years of struggle didn’t net me those results!

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    • I’m right there with you. Have been doing everything (for years) and both kids still have lots of cavities and new ones all the time. Makes me feel like a horrible mom.

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    • Brandi, Debbie, and the others here not getting the results you want in preventing and reversing tooth decay, I have found the following can help as an addition to the WAPF basic diet and Ramiel’s protocol.

      (1) Try taking MinCol, made by Daily manufacturing or make your own if you don’t care for capsules. For an overview of what Mincol is and does check out:http://www.advancedideals.org/019_calcium_questions.html#Anchor-WHY-7431. In short, the person who created Mincol, “If the teeth have fillings or cavities, this is because they are deficient in the colloid phosphate form of calcium and fluoride. Women that have not been provided the proper mineral during the pregnancy will lose the mineral from their mineral ‘storehouses,’ starting with their teeth, as nature will give priority for the fetus and draw the mineral for its formation and development. This is why so many women remark their teeth went bad after they had children.” (Biological Ionization as Applied to Human Nutrition, p. 166). Mincol would be in abundant supplies in our foods if it wasn’t for soils being depleted of it and hence virtually all of our crops, organic or not. Bone meal is the next best source of the mineral colloid (MIncol).

      (2) You might have a situation where the body chemistry is nitpicky. Kris Johnson touched upon this below. Within the WAPF community, so many different ways of customizing one’s diet exist. I expand upon one that I mentioned in a comment below.
      In Reams Biological Theory of Ionization (RBTI) as applied to human health, several tooth decay patterns exist. Please keep in mind this is a generalization, so exceptions can exist. That said, severe tooth decay is a symptom of deficiency of foods that have calcium phosphate as their prominent calcium compound. (1) Thus, you need to add bone meal into the diet. I recommended chewing bones of pasture raised chicken and ocean fish like sardine or anchovy. If your child cannot handle these, you need to grind up bones of fish or grass fed animals or find an online source that this ready in supplement form. Generally you will need somewhere between 500 mg and 2g per meal. (2) You need to go to the USDA database and eat foods that have calcium phosphate as the dominant calcium compound and focus on the ones that have the highest calcium content: carrots, cabbage,beets, leafy greens, sweet potato, eggplant, cauliflower, celery, oatmeal, okra, barley, persimmon, bone broth, and root crops. (3) Take Mincol with every meal.

      Tooth decay, when not severe, falls into the high pH pattern. This means the pH of urine and saliva or one of them exceeds 6.7 and you need to get it between 6.2 and 6.7, ideally 6.4. You need to invest in a pH meter or, as a more affordable option, a kit. Pike Agri-Lb Supplies has both. You need to emphasize foods in your diet that have dominant calcium compound of phosphate and calcium sulfate, AKA, gypsum. Thus you have to consume a significant part of your diet of the following foods that have gypsum as their dominant calcium compound: kefir, buttermilk, sour cream, raspberry, apple, blackberry, cranberry, sour blueberry, pineapple, pomegranate, strawberries, sour cherries, apple cider vinegar, oranges, grapefruit, mandarin, and sour plums. Something from this list and the calcium phosphate list needs to be consumed every meal. Also, include a food that has dominant calcium compound of calcium gluconate every meal from the following list of foods: cottage cheese, milk, goat’s milk, butter, cream. Use unbuffered vitamin C sources to move down the pH, such as rose hips, acercola berry, Indian gooseberry, etc. .5g to 2g 1-4 times a day in between meals. For more sources search for foods very high in vitamin C, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C. . You may need to take out FCLO, as it increases pH. Include a different food from each of the above calcium compounds in each meal. Another group that can be used in this pattern, though not as important, is foods containing the prominent compound of dolomite (calcium magnesium carbonate): fish, molasses, papaya, coconut, mango, pear, sea grapes, sorghum, and salsify As an estimate, 70-85% of your diet will come from foods that have calcium phosphate, gluconate, sulfate and dolomite as the dominant calcium compounds. So this means you need to cut down on, but still eat daily, foods from the other two calcium groups, which are calcium carbonate and oxide. Foods that have dominant source of calcium oxide are banana, kelp, onion, potato, leeks, garlic, buckwheat, rice, wheat, rye, loquat, sweet blueberry, carob, corn, peas, beans, nuts, tomato, Jerusalem artichoke, guava and peaches. Foods that have calcium carbonate as dominant calcium compound include: meats, avocado, green beans, nectarine, broccoli, olives, olive oil, sesame oil, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, squash, cherries, sweet plum, sweet grapes, cheese, mushrooms, and millet. Go very easy on the cheese because it has lots of calcium, just not the right type for this pattern. You need to test initially 2-3 times a day 2 hours after a meal for several days and then at least twice a day 2 times a week. If you start seeing changes in the pH, you will probably need to make adjustments in the diet according the numbers you get from the pH reading. See below for resources.

      If this diet is not enough, you need to try other approaches. RBTI uses supplements when foods don’t work by themselves, as the vast majority of the above foods today are calcium decent because of soil depletion. So in this case, RBTI recommends you would use calcium lactate as a temporary measure to bring down the pH and keep it down where it needs to be. It needs to be taken with meals. If the idea of supplements doesn’t sit well with you, experiment with buttermilk solids, which are what goes on the bottom of a container of buttermilk below the water part. Add the solids to meals. My source for 100% grass fed raw buttermilk is Swiss Connection http://www.swissconnectioncheese.com/ – they ship anywhere. Or, try colonics, which works very well with stubbornly high pH that needs to be lowered. Or do a fast, something very effective if the above measures don’t work. If you get as far as to exploring colonics, you need to get 2 RBTI texts to do the whole program or contact me. They are Biological Theory of Ionization as Applied to Human Nutrition by Alexander Beddoe, DDS and course on RBTI by Michael Olszta.

      Preserve. Keep researching and trying new approaches. And refrain from beating yourselves up! Instead, commend yourselves for sticking with a program most people don’t have the discipline or foresight to try and stick with.

      Best Wishes,

      Jamil Avdiyev

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      • Hi Jamil! Burning Bush Gardens here. I second ya!

        I just rub min-66 in sunflower oil (or olive oil, but I think the lighter weight oil is best) on the outside of the face proximal to any tooth problem. It always works for teething and usually works for a toothache and over a few weeks, you grow teeth back, if you are also taking the min-66 internally. It’s amazing.

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  114. Kristen Darling via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    On a side note, I have a friend who had very bad gums from years of bad diet and drug use. Just changing diet alone has improved them greatly and visibly. This person just began daily cod liver oil (can’t think of a better time than winter)… Can’t wait to suggest some coconut oil pulling too!!!

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  115. Denver Tina via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    It’s not so much amusing as it is really sad. So many parents spend a lot of money on their children’s teeth when diet alone would cure them. I know of a couple that has put a lot of money into their young son’s teeth. Money they really don’t have. It’s dramatic for kids to have their teeth worked on. Dentists seem like used car salesmen to me at least the last dentist I saw did.

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  116. Shawnda Hicks via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    I am not so sure on this. My two year old was and is exclusively breastfed, doesn’t drink juice or cows milk and we eat pretty whole with grass feed meats and organic veg. Her teeth crumbled, all but five of them. I was told it was the breastfeeding (of course) then was told it was a lack of enamel.

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    • Me too. I have four kids, and two have bad teeth. I am 36 and have never had a cavity, so I was quite surprised when my oldest had many cavities diagnosed (and obvious to the eyes) at age 4. I have had times of better and worse nutrition. As a child, we were poor, and ate non-processed food, cooked from scratch, but plenty of grains and sugar.

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    • Cure Tooth Decay method doesn’t always work because of serious mineral depletion. There is so much more to the story and it is all in RBTI. Study some RBTI and you’ll be amazed. Worked for all of us!

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  117. Denver Tina via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Kristen – I can’t remember the last time my boys, 4 and 7, brushed their teeth. They have no cavities and their teeth appear strong and healthy!

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  118. Kristen Darling via Facebook December 9, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Wow. So thankful to have stumbled across Nourishing Traditions and then WAPF a couple years before getting pregnant. I can’t even imagine how teeth can get that bad. My 4 year old hardly brushes his strong healthy teeth. It’s all about nutrition and diet! Thanks for sharing.

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    • So happy to hear from another mom that her 4 year old hardly brushes his strong healthy teeth. Same here! Sometimes I feel guilty for not making him brush every day, but he eats a WAPF diet, and his teeth are beautiful!

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    • Not true, and not fair. Maybe that contributes in some cases, but I have a kid with tooth decay (and two without) who was breastfed. Until he was 3. Furthermore, he and his siblings eat the same foods. Only he has the decay issues. It’s more than diet.

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    • Unfortunately, this is not true.. Breast is best, but it does not override the damage of other foods in the diet. It keeps your kids from getting sick, but it does not prevent tooth decay once other foods are introduced. My son was breastfed and has severe tooth decay. Contributing factors in my case are my inlaw caregivers who meant no harm sharing foods and drinks from their decay filled mouths despite my telling them NOT to, constantly feeding him processed puffed cereals and other nutrient-lacking foods, all day sipping on sippy cups, and my son’s early development of teeth in the firsth place! He had a mouthful before age one.

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    • That statement is not fair. Not all women can breast feed their children and have to rely on formula, myself included. I now have a 5 year old who has never had a cavity in his life.

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    • My (almost) two year old is having some decay, which is why I am googling this. His was EBF until 6 months, BLW along with breastfeeding until 14 months, and a normal diet (better than the SAD diet) along with being breastfed… still being breastfed. He has never had a drop of formula, and minimal alternative milk. So that is a rather presumptuous statement. You cant paint everyone with such a broad brush. I’m assuming grain is our #1 issue, as we don’t really eat processed and sugary foods. I will definitely be looking into this more.

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  120. Great post! Very informative. It is heartbreaking for parents to see their kids cry because of severe toothache…Yeah, too much sugars on the food we feed them with could be a culprit and so we must be keen with our kid’s diet.

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  121. Hi,
    This is a great story. How long did you follow the protocol? Have you introduced grains back into her diet?

    I have a friend whose child had early tooth decay. I know they tried a few Weston A. Price things but nothing worked. The doctor said that since they were baby teeth that it didn’t matter. Her adult teeth grew in fine. I don’t think her child had any surgery. I think they just let things be. It wasn’t pretty, but the child is fine. I’ll have to ask for more details to share.

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    • Hi, Lori
      Thanks for sharing your friend’s story. Do you know how bad the decay were? My 3 year old has ECC and the enamel on the front four are mostly chipped away with only brown nubs left. I have started the WPF diet a few months ago and I can see that things are not getting worse. So I wanted to watch and see instead of performing baby root canal and crowns on them, but they won’t fall out until he’s 6 (2 years away), so I am worry sick about the decay progressing rapidly and he’ll be in pain. Luckily, he’s not have any pain right now. Thanks for your time.

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