Cardiologist: Lowfat Diet “Scientifically and Morally Indefensible”

by Sarah Healthy LivingComments: 151
Cardiologist Recommends Grassfed Butter

Dr. Dwight Lundell MD is a cardiologist who beat the drum of lowfat diet and cholesterol lowering drugs to prevent heart disease for over 25 years.

He has performed over 5,000 open heart surgeries and trained with prominent “opinion maker” physicians who considered any deviation from the recommended therapy of severely limited fat intake and cholesterol lowering meds to reduce heart disease risk complete heresy that could possibly result in a malpractice lawsuit.

Dr. Lundell now admits that this long held notion is wrong.   Not only is it completely and utterly wrong, it is also scientifically and morally indefensible.

Following the recommended mainstream diet low in saturated fat and high in grain based carbohydrates has created an epidemic of obesity and diabetes “the consequences of which dwarf any historical plague in terms of mortality, human suffering and dire economic consequences”.

By following the recommended lowfat diet, Dr. Lundell says that people are unknowingly causing “repeated injury to their blood vessels”.   This repeated injury, day in and day out, is what is causing rampant inflammation across all population groups which has resulted in the epidemic of heart disease, diabetes, and obesity.

Inflammation the True Cause of Heart Disease

Dr. Lundell explains that a slow paradigm shift which identifies inflammation as the true cause of heart disease is occurring.

He goes on to say that the conventional lowfat diet which warns against saturated fats and promotes polyunsaturated vegetable oils as a healthier alternative is the biggest culprit in causing chronic and deadly inflammation.

Unless inflammation is present in the body, cholesterol is unable to accumulate in plaques in the blood vessels causing heart attacks and strokes.  In an inflammation free body, cholesterol moves freely and causes no health problems.

In other words, it is inflammation caused by a lowfat diet that causes cholesterol to become trapped in the body.  Cholesterol lowering drugs have been a dismal failure to eliminate or reduce the problem as 25% of the population now takes statin drugs and yet more Americans than ever will die of heart disease this year.

How One Innocent Donut Causes Deadly Inflammation

Dr. Lundell explains the deadly 3 step process of how eating a simple donut or sweet roll causes a cascade of inflammation in the body:

Step One:  Refined Grains and Sugar Consumption Spike Blood Sugar

“Imagine spilling syrup on your keyboard and you have a visual of what occurs inside the cell. When we consume simple carbohydrates such as sugar, blood sugar rises rapidly. In response, your pancreas secretes insulin whose primary purpose is to drive sugar into each cell where it is stored for energy. If the cell is full and does not need glucose, it is rejected to avoid extra sugar gumming up the works.

When your full cells reject the extra glucose, blood sugar rises producing more insulin and the glucose converts to stored fat.

What does all this have to do with inflammation? Blood sugar is controlled in a very narrow range. Extra sugar molecules attach to a variety of proteins that in turn injure the blood vessel wall. This repeated injury to the blood vessel wall sets off inflammation. When you spike your blood sugar level several times a day, every day, it is exactly like taking sandpaper to the inside of your delicate blood vessels.”

Step Two: Omega 6 Vegetable Oils Produce Cytokines

It’s not just the refined grains and sugar in the donut causing spiking and crashing blood sugar that is the problem. Dr. Lundell continues by describing additional inflammation caused by the rancid omega 6, polyunsaturated oils (usually soybean) in the donut:

“That innocent looking goody not only contains sugars, it is baked in one of many omega-6 oils such as soybean. Chips and fries are soaked in soybean oil; processed foods are manufactured with omega-6 oils for longer shelf life. While omega-6’s are essential -they are part of every cell membrane controlling what goes in and out of the cell — they must be in the correct balance with omega-3’s.

If the balance shifts by consuming excessive omega-6, the cell membrane produces chemicals called cytokines that directly cause inflammation.

Step Three:  Excess Weight Pours Out Pro-Inflammatory Chemicals

The final nail in the coffin for producing exorbitant levels of inflammation when that innocent looking donut is consumed is the excess weight that most Americans are carrying:

“To make matters worse, the excess weight you are carrying from eating these foods creates overloaded fat cells that pour out large quantities of pro-inflammatory chemicals that add to the injury caused by having high blood sugar. The process that began with a sweet roll turns into a vicious cycle over time that creates heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and finally, Alzheimer’s disease, as the inflammatory process continues unabated.”

Ditch the Lowfat Diet and Get Off the Inflammation Freight Train

Dr. Lundell counsels that mainstream medicine has made “a terrible mistake” by advising people to avoid saturated fats in favor of grain based foods containing vegetable oils.   This flawed and dangerous recommendation is a direct contributor to the epidemic of inflammation that is plaguing the Western world in the form of obesity, diabetes, heart disease, and numerous other ailments.

Dr. Lundell advises to leave manufactured vegetable oils and other processed foods behind and return to the whole, unprocessed diet of our ancestors.

As for the ideal fats in the diet, Dr. Lundell recommends olive oil and grassfed butter.  He says the science that saturated fat causes heart disease is non-existent and the science that saturated fat raises blood cholesterol as very weak.

Given that inflammation and not cholesterol causes heart disease, any concern about saturated fats in the diet is nothing short of “absurd” according to Dr. Lundell.

Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist

 

Sources and More Information

Heart Surgeon Speaks Out on What Really Causes Heart Disease

The High Risks of Low Cholesterol

Cholesterol Myths to Wise Up About

What Oxidizes the Cholesterol in Eggs?

The 9 Irrefutable Benefits of Cholesterol in the Diet

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Comments (151)

  • Rebecca

    I welcome any feedback I can get. Though I wholeheartedly agree with this article in theory (and because I love butter) ;), I have not found it to be true in reality for ME. My cholesterol has always been a tad high, but once I started GAPS 3 years ago, it has only risen. I did not remain on GAPS, but I have remained low grain (often grain free) and have continued to use butter etc. Unfortunately, my cholesterol was just taken again and this time it is quite high. Total of 315 and ldl of 219. The hdl has risen nicely. I am not particularly happy with these numbers either, but don’t know how to naturally lower them. It seems my old diet of homemade food and whole grains suited me better in regards to cholesterol (it caused other problems).
    I am also confused by the notion that dietary cholesterol does not directly correlate with blood levels. For my mom, limiting cholesterol (but not using vegetable oils), very much decreases her cholesterol levels.
    Thoughts?

    February 11th, 2014 6:48 pm Reply
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    February 10th, 2014 7:54 pm Reply
  • Joanna Bigras via Facebook

    As much as this article is interesting, and true, I hate that when you google him, his name comes up, along with quack and hoax!

    January 26th, 2014 3:28 pm Reply
  • Wendy Sellers-Brown via Facebook

    I just say, “Uh huh. ok” and walk out. Pretty difficult to find an intelligent doctor that hasn’t been brainwashed by the fed meds. My dr is actually pretty nice though, he knows not to offer me cholestorol meds or anything. I have actually gotten my numbers down myself.

    January 26th, 2014 12:19 am Reply
  • JP Edwards via Facebook

    Gina, I saw that too, but he is not the only heart doctor/surgeon saying these things, there is a steadily growing list…

    January 25th, 2014 11:28 pm Reply
  • LaWanna Edwards via Facebook

    Reading ” Beyond Diet”. Says much the same thing. And it’s working

    January 25th, 2014 11:18 pm Reply
  • Carol Roberts Oldebeken via Facebook

    4 yrs ago my levels were high, I cut “most” the crap out of my diet and now they read very low. Have to have a yearly test for my job. I love real fat, and eat lots of it. The fake stuff is what causes all sorts of problems health wise. Our Brains need fat to function properly. This is also why there is such a huge amount of people having neuro issues, such as alzhiemers etc. Feed the brain what it needs.

    January 25th, 2014 2:58 pm Reply
  • Gina Denton Adair via Facebook

    His license was revoked. Care to investigate? I would.

    January 25th, 2014 2:20 pm Reply
    • Prisca

      Ok. Has anyone thought of getting a reliable source, such as an accredited Registered Dietitian who has about 6 years of nutrition course work, vs a doctor who has maybe one course?
      Lipids themselves participate in the coordinate regulation of inflammation and metabolism. Elevated plasma lipid levels are characteristic of obesity, infection, and other inflammatory states. Hyperlipidemia in obesity is responsible in part for inducing peripheral tissue insulin resistance and dyslipidemia.
      So, in other words, moderation. The Omega 3 and 6 and unsaturated fats are the best, but the others won’t hurt if kept under control.

      September 17th, 2014 10:09 pm Reply
  • JP Edwards via Facebook

    I vowed almost 2 years ago that margarine and low fat milk would never be used by my children or myself ever again, (my hubby still believes that full fat milk makes his tummy tubby and freaked when his cholesterol levels were up, so insisted on backing away from all the fat in his diet, but no one will drink his 2% milk. I am stead fast with the butter though. He uses a little, I use A LOT, and at this rate I fully expect to outlive him by decades. =)

    January 25th, 2014 12:58 pm Reply
  • Helen Ananiadis via Facebook

    Doctor’s just listen to what they want, they do the easy way out, they write out a prescription and give it you.

    January 25th, 2014 12:52 pm Reply
  • Shelby Snorek via Facebook

    Many are still in the lowfat, fat free, no eggs mentality, that is so 30 years ago.

    January 25th, 2014 12:04 pm Reply
  • Anita Messenger via Facebook

    I had a doctor come unglued when I told her that we use coconut oil. She said, That’s a saturated fat and it’ll give you heart problems! I said, have you read the recent research that’s been coming out about coconut oil? She just looked at me.

    January 25th, 2014 12:00 pm Reply
  • Kathy Koch via Facebook

    I have lost 40 pounds eating lots of organic butter, coconut oil and drinking raw organic milk. Still have about 80 to go. Cholesterol is 131. Good Hdl needs to come up just a bit so need to remember to take my fish oil.

    January 25th, 2014 11:58 am Reply
  • Cleo Campbell via Facebook

    My kids pediatrician is ALWAYS saying low fat! And both my kids are at a healthy weight! It is hard to find a good pediatrician here in Syracuse.

    January 25th, 2014 11:57 am Reply
  • Shannon Laage Lake via Facebook

    Heidi Sorenson-Olson

    January 25th, 2014 11:55 am Reply
  • Janet Michael Roten via Facebook

    My mom’s cardiologist says “eat real butter and eggs”. Too bad he doesn’t also mention coconut oil–he does listen to me, tho’, and recommends WBV.

    January 25th, 2014 11:43 am Reply
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  • Holly Snyder via Facebook

    I’ve been eating this way since July and have lost 20 lbs and reduced my cholesterol 24 pts.It absolutely works and is quite easy. Look up Dr. Mary Vernon videos on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaquSijXJkQly

    December 4th, 2012 7:47 pm Reply
  • An Organic Wife via Facebook

    I love fat! Just had a delicious glass of raw milk with breakfast.

    December 4th, 2012 8:51 am Reply
  • Beth Clifford Beisel via Facebook

    Dr. Lundell gives the BEST advice here. Thank you for sharing this! As a registered dietitian, this is what I tell clients every day! PS – statin drugs cause diabetes. Along with smoking, diabetes severely increases risk for …heart disease.

    December 4th, 2012 7:46 am Reply
  • Cherish Greene via Facebook

    I’m going to have to check this out when I’m not so tired…

    December 4th, 2012 1:01 am Reply
  • Mia Harrod via Facebook

    Yep, one must look at his motivation for doing this? The only reason someone would be motivated to BASH anyone who is healing diseases naturally is if the opposing side was paying to have this stuff refuted or destroyed. . . it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it all out :)

    December 3rd, 2012 10:32 pm Reply
  • Elizabeth Otte Stowers via Facebook

    Mia, I also see that he is a retired psychiatrist (which is VERY different from a family doctor or even a physiological specialist). With no apparent background in any nutritional science/nutrition. He’s a dunce. :)

    December 3rd, 2012 10:30 pm Reply
  • Cindy White via Facebook

    Another Cardiologist Dr. Steven Gundry, author of “Diet Evolution”, an amazing doctor with much research behind his theory of eating healthy fats & the ability to reset genes that cause cardiac/autoimmune & other disease through diet & supplements.

    December 3rd, 2012 10:24 pm Reply
  • Mia Harrod via Facebook

    Yep, sad thing is that he hasn’t read the science behind natural healing nor will he believe anyone who claims they healed themselves using anything other than drugs and surgery. It takes a bold person to have an open mind and go against surgery and drugs for everything these days.

    December 3rd, 2012 10:21 pm Reply
  • Elizabeth Otte Stowers via Facebook

    Mia, I’ve been reading the links above and boy…Stephen B sounds like a dunce. I had no idea about all of this before.

    December 3rd, 2012 10:17 pm Reply
  • Mia Harrod via Facebook

    Yes I did, and boy did he show his true colors, this guy is clueless on how the body heals.

    December 3rd, 2012 10:00 pm Reply
  • Jennifer Smith via Facebook

    Yeah, Quakwatch is run by a bunch of corrupt quacks!

    December 3rd, 2012 9:41 pm Reply
  • Elizabeth Otte Stowers via Facebook

    Mia, did you email him with an opposing view on healthcare?

    December 3rd, 2012 9:15 pm Reply
  • Elizabeth Otte Stowers via Facebook

    Mia, thank you so much! The first article I saw on quackwatch and Steve B was criticzing Dr Mercola because he has a big house. o_O

    December 3rd, 2012 9:15 pm Reply
  • Mia Harrod via Facebook

    And more info: http://www.raysahelian.com/quackwatch.html

    December 3rd, 2012 8:53 pm Reply
  • Mia Harrod via Facebook

    Elizabeth, I had emailed him years ago and we talked back and forth for a few weeks. He will sue anyone who talks bad about him, he’s a real nasty person to deal with actually, try emailing him yourself and see. Here’s more info: http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/editorial/quack.htm

    December 3rd, 2012 8:53 pm Reply
  • Katelyn Riechers via Facebook

    YES!!!!

    December 3rd, 2012 8:40 pm Reply
  • Jo’s Health Corner via Facebook

    All grandparents lived way beyond 85 years of age and they ate plenty of butter and salted their food..None of them ever had heart problems…One grandma is still alive at 97 and she has never had anything low fat..

    December 3rd, 2012 8:17 pm Reply
  • thehealthyhomeeconomist via Facebook

    My hat is off to Dr. Lundell for the courage to speak up as he certainly knew that he would be attacked by conventional medicine for doing so.

    December 3rd, 2012 8:02 pm Reply
  • thehealthyhomeeconomist via Facebook

    Yes, my own father who is an MD eats butter and doesn’t buy the lowfat baloney. Also, Dr. Tom Cowan MD who practices in San Francisco agrees with Dr. Lundell as well. MANY other doctors do as well but they stay silent as speaking up gets you blackballed.

    December 3rd, 2012 8:00 pm Reply
  • Rebecca Handlon-Miller via Facebook

    I did research on this doctor about a year ago. What I found was a highly qualified successful doctor who in his retirement spoke out against the low fat scam. As soon as he did this the witch hunt began to discredit him. The medical board trumped up charges to have his medical license taken away even though he was already retired. If you speak out with the truth they will try to take you down. Thanks for the link Cyni.

    December 3rd, 2012 7:41 pm Reply
  • Cyndi Martinek Phillips via Facebook

    About Quackwatch http://www.quackpotwatch.org/

    December 3rd, 2012 7:26 pm Reply
  • Isabel Johnson via Facebook

    My Costco in CA sells Kerrygold butter and cheese now.

    December 3rd, 2012 7:23 pm Reply
  • Elizabeth Otte Stowers via Facebook

    Costco (if you shop there) carries Kerrygold butter. You get 3 hunks of it (1/2 lb) for around $7, which is the best price I’ve seen. Our Costco was running low on it, and I bought up a whole bunch of it (in case they are discontinuing it…). We have LOTS of Kerrygold butter in the fridge right now, LOL. I’m never giving up my precious butter. :)

    December 3rd, 2012 7:13 pm Reply
  • Elizabeth Otte Stowers via Facebook

    Mia, I had no idea the Quackwatch guy works for drug companies and they pay him for it. That’s very interesting! How did you find out?

    December 3rd, 2012 7:11 pm Reply
  • Mia Harrod via Facebook

    Kerrygold butter can be found at whole foods stores and at Trader Joes, and Icelandic Butter is just as good if not better and it’s also sold at Whole foods, you can buy it in bulk and freeze it :)

    December 3rd, 2012 6:40 pm Reply
  • Mia Harrod via Facebook

    Kerrygold butter can be found at whole foods stores and at Trader Joes, and Icelandic Butter is just as good if not better and it’s also sold at Whole foods, you can buy it in bulk and freeze it :)

    December 3rd, 2012 6:40 pm Reply
  • Liz Hoidas via Facebook

    Larry, IMHP, yes, grassfed is THE best…we prefer Kerrygold

    December 3rd, 2012 6:38 pm Reply
  • Karen Lossing via Facebook

    Larry, can you find a source of raw milk in your area? Making fresh raw butter is very simple.

    December 3rd, 2012 6:35 pm Reply
  • Sarah Couture Pope via Facebook

    The internet is what is blowing the lid off this 50 year old scam against saturated fat which has favored the edible oil manufacturers’ bottom lines.

    December 3rd, 2012 6:34 pm Reply
  • Sarah Couture Pope via Facebook

    If I were a doctor, my GOAL in life would be to make Quackwatch .. this would ensure that I wasn’t a sellout and that I had actually practiced medicine for the good of humanity as doctors were intended to do.

    December 3rd, 2012 6:33 pm Reply
  • Bethany Hartley via Facebook

    “They” can only keep secrets so long cuz the public starts to become more aware. Then they let some little bits of the truth leak out thru the mainstream. What heroes. lol

    December 3rd, 2012 6:32 pm Reply
  • Mia Harrod via Facebook

    The man who created “Quackwatch” works for the drug companies, he’s admitted that, it’s his job to dispute anyone who says food or natural healing is possible, he gets paid to do that. I don’t trust anyone who gets paid to make others look bad.

    December 3rd, 2012 6:31 pm Reply
  • Jessie Bible Yang via Facebook

    Do you know of other doctors who hold this view? It is great that he does, but according to this – he is not really 100% squeaky clean & credible. http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/lundell.html This doesn’t mean he’s not right, but it’s better to share w/the low-fat folks if it came from more sources.

    December 3rd, 2012 6:25 pm Reply
  • Larry Underwood via Facebook

    I can’t afford organic or raw butter. Is irish butter the next best thing? It says it’s made from grassfed cows.

    December 3rd, 2012 6:15 pm Reply
  • Jennifer Sinclair via Facebook

    He’s right on! The science of Nourishing Traditions (real food/traditional food) is more or less how our great-grands ate in this country. We didn’t start seeing all sorts of health problems until low-fat, low-cal, fake box foods, high fructose corn syrup, and partially hydrogenated vegetable oils hit the super markets. Basically, if it’s convenient, it’ll be the end of you. Cook from scratch with real, whole foods for real health.

    December 3rd, 2012 6:13 pm Reply
  • Sarah Couture Pope via Facebook

    One thing’s for sure: it aint butter!

    December 3rd, 2012 6:05 pm Reply
  • Amelia Owca Hinote via Facebook

    Let’s see what they come up with in another 10 years.

    December 3rd, 2012 6:04 pm Reply
  • fromscratchmom

    Thank-you for your wonderful search feature and this older blog that I had read before! It provided the ready background info for me to refer to in discussion with a friend today. She is has been determined to believe in the low-fat paradigm in the past. But with being able to go directly to a source, hopefully I planted a seed of understanding.

    October 15th, 2012 10:33 am Reply
  • Denise

    I wish links were provided for further reference. I agree with the conclusions, but it would help as I point others to this food philosophy.

    September 25th, 2012 7:57 pm Reply
  • valerie

    This is fantastic! Thank you for writing this. I just blogged about “must have” fats and butter was first on my list, because there is so much misinformation about butter and it contains vitamins E, A &D,lecithin, selenium and iodine. Fresh coconut and its milk is delicious and healthy too.

    August 2nd, 2012 7:17 am Reply
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  • Michelle

    Sarah does the grass fed butter have to be raw? We have been getting raw milk for a few weeks now but I am struggling to get the cream off to make butter. I can buy organic butter but it would bd pasterized, would this still give some health benefits or not really because the heat has destroyed them?

    May 10th, 2012 8:57 pm Reply
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  • CCastle

    Who is this guy, Dr. Lundell? He does not seem very trustworthy by looking at his past. Sarah, you mentioned that you weight the same the day graduated from college by eating all those fat. How about your cholesterol level? Is it within healthy level? What is healthy level anyway if there is such a thing?

    March 24th, 2012 3:07 pm Reply
    • valerie

      Don’t knock it ’til you try it. I am a registered dietitian and all health parameters improve when you feed your body the nutrition it needs. Fats are essential nutrients that help our bodies function properly.

      All the issues we now face with vitamin D deficiency (a fat soluble vitamin), blood sugar, heart disease (especially triglycerides) and much more is likely due to the low fat (high carb) push by government and medical organizations

      August 2nd, 2012 7:30 am Reply
  • Sandy

    Why not low fat raw vegan? Why not ZERO animal protein and animal fat? We were not born with a stove on our backs, and we have opposable thumbs for picking fruit and veggies.

    Great, stay away from processed anything – that’s how it should be. But unless you plan to buy a rabbit in a store, rip its head off and drink its blood while eating the whole dang thing, there is no point to eating any animal product at all (raw carnivorous diet of our ancestors). You can get everything you need from fruit, vegetables (starchy and fibrous) and legumes.

    I’m not “one of those vegans,” but based on the information provided from The China Study and the film Forks Over Knives, one can reverse all diet-based disease solely by going vegan and eating clean. It’s pretty simple.

    March 23rd, 2012 2:15 pm Reply
    • SarahM

      Uh huh. You might want to check out rawfoodsos.com where the author, Denise, who eats raw but not low-fat or vegan has pretty convincingly debunked The China Study.

      March 23rd, 2012 3:49 pm Reply
    • Ariel

      No, you can’t get everything you need from plants. There are insufficient levels of vitamin A, D, K2, zinc, cholesterol, and B vitamins in plant foods. I don’t care how “balanced” or “well planned” a diet you eat. Not to mention how the only way to naturally get enough B12 and certain amino acids (don’t tell me supplements are natural) is to eat animal products.

      A raw vegan diet is only beneficial if you are very toxic and need to cleanse, even then only for a short period of time. Also, your point about eating a whole rabbit (and, first of all, if you’re getting your meat from a grocery store, you’re already doing something wrong. You source your meat responsibly from a local farmer) is very important. You should not isolate one particular muscle meat from one animal. You SHOULD eat the whole thing, or most of it. When I eat an animal, I use not only the muscle meat, but also the liver, heart, bones, marrow, and other organs. Each part of the animal has a different nutritional profile, all essential to vibrant health, the way nature/G-d/the universe intended us to be.

      The China Study is not a credible source of information. You really need to reevaluate your research on this one.

      March 23rd, 2012 7:06 pm Reply
      • sandy

        The China Study was featured in FoK, which was the first time I had ever heard about the study.

        I had IBS for most of my adult life. I went vegan in July 2008, and have yet to suffer from anything other than fatigue – and that is due to getting off The Pill after being on it for 20+ years. With my hormones out of whack – I have had to relearn my approach to food and my workouts (P90X, P90X2, Insanity, etc.).

        I’m not low fat raw vegan, but I AM vegan, and proud of it – I choose not to participate in the exploitation of any sentient beings. My cholesterol is about 130, I do NOT have low Vitamin D, and if I need B12, I can get it from my saliva. You see, like cholesterol, the body produces its own B12. B12 is added to your meat – it doesn’t come naturally to animal products. Recent blood tests also showed no lack of vitamin A or zinc, so I’m confused as to what it is that I’m missing.

        I would prefer to be an 80/10/10 vegan (fruitarian), like the people I associate with – who are Cross Fit people, ultramarathoners, body builders, etc.

        March 28th, 2012 12:46 pm Reply
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  • Valerie A. Hoffman via Facebook

    Reason # 10,0000 why I like people like Sarah and her website: THEY ALWAYS DRINK UPSTREAM FROM THE HERD!!!! If the media says go straight, you better look both ways and pick another direction. Keep the vital info coming Sarah – it’s so important.

    March 22nd, 2012 9:58 pm Reply
  • Sandrine Hahn

    I love it: https://www.facebook.com/nourishingourchildren/posts/101754806623794

    Intuitively, it makes sense to me that we are intended to consume fat because food found in nature is full fat. Low fat milk is denatured, it does not come from animals low fat. No one has proposed we create “low fat” breast milk?! There are “low fat” foods found in nature however, most of the food labeled as “low fat” is created in factories. Traditional cultures would discard lean meats. They prized the fat. Why? There are vital nutrients in traditional fats such as butter. A “low fat” diet is unsustainable for many. We feel deprived, and we are deprived.

    March 22nd, 2012 1:43 pm Reply
  • Carolyn

    I have been on a journey for the last ten years to find the best “diet” for my family. My son has already fought cancer, he was 5, and two of my boys are autistic. All three were diagnosed with ADHD. We had nutritionists and oncologists recommend diets for our kids and ourselves, but we never got healthy or better. So I started researching, and and cam across such conflicting reports, studies, opinions. I was overwhelmed. Being pushed by all large “forces” in our country into this food pyramid, we tried hard to do it the right way. To no avail. Then I happened upon Weston A Price foundation…… I was still nervous about doing things this way, thinking I may be setting my kids up for a life of heart disease and health issues. But I found the opposite to be true, and now with this Dr.’s report, I feel even more empowered I am doing the right thing. Thanks for this website!!!! My kdis are all off their ADHD meds, they are cured!! The funny thing is, the Dr.s can’t believe it, and just seem to shrug off that removing white sugar cured them. Why can’t they see the obvious? I am sure glad I have, thanks again.

    March 22nd, 2012 9:19 am Reply
    • Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist

      Moms are leading the way to a healthier future and your personal story shows exactly how this is playing out in homes across North America and elsewhere in the world.. Thank you for sharing Carolyn.

      March 22nd, 2012 8:42 pm Reply
  • Traci

    I just want to say that is the yummiest butter picture I’ve seen in a long time! Ha.

    March 22nd, 2012 6:02 am Reply
    • Carolyn

      ditto!

      March 22nd, 2012 9:25 am Reply
  • Helen T.

    Very clear audio interview with Dr. Lundell:
    http://www.livinlowcarbdiscussion.com/showthread.php?tid=3527

    March 22nd, 2012 4:01 am Reply
  • Renee

    Sarah, I am going to print this out and show it to my primary care physician who said to go on the DASH diet as well as my gyn who said to go VEGAN.

    March 21st, 2012 8:35 pm Reply
    • Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist

      Oh wow. Would I like to be a fly on the wall in the doctor’s office when you do that :))

      March 21st, 2012 11:52 pm Reply
  • Anna

    Great article, and very interesting (and exciting) to watch the paradigm shift! Just yesterday I was reading these 2 articles below, great reads if you’re interested in more detail behind LDL cholesterol.

    This area is very important to me, as my mother has been battling high cholesterol for years (with no actual health problems)- but her GP is telling her if she doesn’t start taking Lipitor she will have a stroke! I honestly don’t think this is the best option for her; however her father has heart problems and his father died of a heart attack at 40. I argue that was related to the fact they were both heavy smokers for many years, had very stressful jobs, and (in the past 10 years) has been made to follow a very low fat, high carbohydrate diet… A very difficult situation!!
    Thank you for addressing this Sarah,

    http://www.jpands.org/vol10no3/colpo.pdf
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35058896/ns/health-heart_health/t/bad-cholesterol-its-not-what-you-think/

    March 21st, 2012 8:33 pm Reply
    • Faith

      Anna,

      Thank you so much for posting the article from MSNBC. It cleared up sooooo many of the questions I have had about cholesterol for so long! I am also thrilled that it comes from a “mainstream” source and can balance my WAP sources. This is great!

      June 30th, 2012 4:13 pm Reply
  • Bonny Busch Reckner via Facebook

    @Sarah Sanborn: If you haven’t already, check out the GAPS diet–specifically for curing Autism! http://www.gapsdiet.com, http://www.gaps.me, http://www.doctor-natasha.com are all great pages to check out.

    March 21st, 2012 6:37 pm Reply
  • Ariel

    Hey Sarah, I was wondering if you posted this because of the e-mail I sent you about a week and a half ago. I actually heard about it from my grandmother, who found out about it from listening to Rush Limbaugh (of all things! :) ). Then they did an article on Natural News. I sent you links for both websites.

    Anyway, SCORE FOR REAL FOODIES!!! 😀

    March 21st, 2012 6:25 pm Reply
    • Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist

      Someone sent me the link to the source article above is how I found out about it (was it you? it might have been more than one person .. either way thank you!). I don’t listen to Rush (he irritates me too much with his combative style) so didn’t know Dr. Lundell was on the show. By the way, don’t beat me up about not liking Rush people. His egotistical personality just grates on my nerves.

      March 21st, 2012 6:29 pm Reply
      • Ariel

        Oh, Rush irritates me, too! 😀 Although he occasionally will have some interesting things to say (such as this whole thing), I normally don’t listen to him. It’s my grandmother who’s the listener!

        I figured someone probably had sent you the info already, but I had to do it just in case! 😉

        March 21st, 2012 6:40 pm Reply
        • Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist

          Thank you very much for sending. I love reader ideas and suggestions!!

          March 21st, 2012 7:18 pm Reply
      • Stanley Fishman

        He irritates me, too.

        March 21st, 2012 7:04 pm Reply
  • Fiona

    I was at my parents’ house the other day, and my dad commented that he was no longer “allowed” to eat grapefruit (which he ate every morning for breakfast for as long as I can remember). I asked why and the reason is that he’s on STATINS!! I was gobsmacked that he can no longer eat a natural FRUIT because he’s on an artificial DRUG. And yes, both my parents are on statins now… very sad.

    My mother was a doctor before she retired, and I guess she was brainwashed by the medical industry… very sad. Of course, because my parents are both highly educated people they don’t listen to me when I tell them how dangerous statins are, and how artificially reducing a “number” doesn’t actually FIX anything. To FIX something you’ve got to get to the root cause and deal with it from there.

    March 21st, 2012 6:16 pm Reply
    • Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist

      An open minded doctor is indeed a rarity which is one reason why my hat is off to Dr. Lundell who is no doubt paying the price by getting his reputation smashed to bits for speaking the truth like many others before him.

      March 21st, 2012 6:18 pm Reply
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  • Zach

    How to people on this type of diet control weight?

    A gram of fat has 9 calories, vs 4 calories for the same mass of protein or carbohydrates.

    I haven’t seen anyone recommend refined carbs. I just cant imagine trying to control my weight when eating a diet with a high level of fats in it? I get hungry and only am able to fill up on whole grains, fruits, and vegetables.

    March 21st, 2012 4:07 pm Reply
    • Danyell

      Zach,
      Your body will change from a “carb” burner to a “fat” burner. You use up all the fat you put into your body. You will have a lot of energy and feel so much better. I myself lost 57 pounds in 9 to 10 months without any exercise. I also do not have all the flabby skin you get with such a fast weight drop. If you still get hungry you are probably not eatting enough fat. While losing weight I ate anywhere between 70 to 84 grams of protein, 70 grams of fat, and 54 to 60 carbs a day. I now eat around 70 protein, 110 to 140 fat, and around 70 carbs a day.

      March 21st, 2012 5:21 pm Reply
      • Anna

        Danyell, I completely agree with this statement. I too have had a similar experience with weight loss. I have never been overweight- maybe by about 5kg or so. Following a low fat diet however I was always bloated and never seemed to be able to lose that last bit of weight- despite running 5-10km a day, 5 days a week!!

        I now follow a high fat diet, with heavily reduced carbs, cardio only once a week and I feel great. I think if you’re worried about weight its carbs you should be wary about not fat.

        Best of luck,

        March 21st, 2012 8:39 pm Reply
        • Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist

          I weight the same as the day I graduated college but I guarantee if I ate the way conventional medicine (heavy emphasis on whole grains with little to no fat) recommends I would be 30 lbs heavier for sure. Maybe more. Fat keeps that blood sugar steady freddy and that is what you want for long term health and the easiest weight maintenance possible for your individual metabolism. Some have a harder time maintaining their weight for sure but the easiest route for anyone is to keep blood sugar as steady as possible and a high fat, even ketogenic diet is the way to go to accomplish this.

          March 22nd, 2012 8:11 am Reply
    • Bonnie

      You do not get nearly as hungry as if you are on grains, fruits, and vegetables. E.g., I have eggs and avocado in the morning and do not feel hungry until dinner time. My total caloric intake is lower on fatty foods than on fruits and veggies, which is not to say that they do not play an important role in my diet.

      March 21st, 2012 5:24 pm Reply
    • Ariel

      Um, have you SEEN Sarah or Paula? Not to mention me, my siblings, many of my friends, my mother…

      And if you can’t get full on whole fats like butter and olive oil, you aren’t eating enough of them!

      It has less to do with HOW MANY calories (although that is still part of the story) and more to do with the TYPE of calories, and how and when you consume them. I’d recommend the books “Good Calories, Bad Calories” by Gary Taubes, and “The Warrior Diet” by Ori Hofmekler. They are both fascinating reads.

      March 21st, 2012 6:35 pm Reply
      • Ariel

        Oh, by the way, Sarah meaning the Healthy Home Economist, and Paula meaning Paula Jager, the fitness blogger. Both very fit and healthy ladies!

        March 21st, 2012 6:44 pm Reply
      • Stanley Fishman

        Well said, Ariel.

        March 21st, 2012 7:06 pm Reply
        • Ariel

          Thanks, Stanley!

          March 22nd, 2012 12:50 pm Reply
  • Sarah Sanborn via Facebook

    What a great website, and blog. The body does need some fats, and carbs in order to function. Imagine not putting oil in your car, it would not run properly. Also, so many people are gluten intolerant, and possibly should be feeding themselves and their families gluten free food. My partner has been diagnosed with Asperger’s and I read that if he were to eat gluten free food, it may help to eliminate these issues. Check out this link to get more info:

    March 21st, 2012 2:01 pm Reply
  • Stanley Fishman

    Great post, and this is so important for everybody to know. Low fat diets can kill people.
    A friend of mine managed a health club. He called me one week, shaken because three of the clubs members died. All three were men in their forties, who had been on low fat diets for a long time. All three of them had very low body fat, All three of them worked out for many hours, every week., mostly cardio. All three of them died of heart attacks.

    Our bodies need healthy fats to function properly.

    March 21st, 2012 1:29 pm Reply
  • Ruby Cortes via Facebook

    my grandmother… apparently at one time was an a NON- fat diet….that almost killed her….and I was like”GRANDMA what made you think NO FAT WAS HEALTHY??” and she said “Fat is bad for you.” same with a cousin who passed out from not eating any carbs….people really need to get educated on food.

    March 21st, 2012 1:03 pm Reply
  • Howard C. Gray via Facebook

    As you can see by my profile image, I am assuredly astute…

    March 21st, 2012 12:44 pm Reply
  • thehealthyhomeeconomist via Facebook

    @Howard very astute observation.

    March 21st, 2012 12:40 pm Reply
  • Howard C. Gray via Facebook

    ? How can a Dr have his license revoked AFTER he retires? More importantly, why? He’s retired. Not practicing. Done. Finished. Cannot harm or help anymore. Here’s why – to deliberately vilify him and discredit him.

    March 21st, 2012 12:37 pm Reply
  • thehealthyhomeeconomist via Facebook

    @ Kenny Again, I question all of this. Stripping a doctor of his license is the usual tactic for those that deviate from the cardiology standard of care which includes statin drugs and lowfat diet. All doctors lose patients sometimes and a cardiologist especially. It would be easy for a deep pocketed organization like the AMA to find something here and there to crucify a doctor with. My father (retired MD) was sued once for something that was completely not his fault and I know what kind of baloney comes out during these types of witch hunts.

    March 21st, 2012 12:28 pm Reply
  • Kelli

    Its great to know that a member of the medical establishment is telling the truth about traditional foods.

    March 21st, 2012 12:17 pm Reply
  • Kenny Friedman via Facebook

    I’m not talking about being vilified on the internet. I’m sure even Gandhi has been vilified on the internet at some point (probably by FoxNews 😉 ).

    The article below talks about serious charges of patient negligence that resulted in the revocation of Dr. Lundell’s license. Pretty serious stuff.

    http://www.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/2008/10/16/20081016gr-baddoctor1017.html

    March 21st, 2012 12:15 pm Reply
  • thehealthyhomeeconomist via Facebook

    @Kenny one thing to realize is that any prominent doctor who takes a stand against the lipid hypothesis or other conventional diet dogma gets crucified personally. Dr. Blaylock (neurosurgeon) has loads of negative stuff on the internet about him as he has courageously spoken out against aspartame, msg etc and what these excitotoxins do to us. Dr. Wakefield who discovered the connection between autism and the gut has suffered a similar fate although he may yet be exonerated of all the false accusations he has suffered (his colleague was recently cleared of everything in court). I would take anything you read negative about Dr. Lundell with a grain of salt for this reason given that he is taking such a courageous stand against Big Pharma and the edible oil industry which have billions at stake in this argument.

    March 21st, 2012 12:10 pm Reply
    • Kelly

      Dr. Lundell was investigated and had his licensed pulled way before he came out publicly about his changed philosophy. So I wouldn’t doubt that some of what he is being scrutinized for could have stemmed from reality vs a witch hunt. Not everything is a conspiracy. I’m happy he is coming out with his rational, but it certainly doesn’t help his case when he does have a checkered past.

      March 22nd, 2012 3:03 pm Reply
  • Patricia

    I too dread going to the doctor’s office and arguing about statins which I refuse to take. I no longer let them check my cholesterol. I told them I don’t care how high it is and I won’t go on a low fat diet. I am considered noncompliant and a pain in their arses. I finally got two doctors (one I haven’t seen in 5 years) just so I could tell one that the other was taking care of whatever concern arrises. I have been traditional for 2 years and I won’t go back to any processed crap for any reason!! BUTTER!!! BACON!!! CREAM!! Love it!

    March 21st, 2012 12:03 pm Reply
  • Sarah

    I DID IT! I took my non capsule FCLO this morning. It was no where near as bad as I thought it was going to. I struggled more with HVBO, it is a texture thing. A question about soft boiled eggs if I may. When I break it open I have noticed a clear liquid surrounding the yolk that comes out. Is this uncooked egg white? This is for a baby and I am trying to make certain that no egg whites are in there. Thank you and LOVE butter.

    March 21st, 2012 11:57 am Reply
    • Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist

      You might need to cook it a bit longer. Have you seen my video on this (first foods for baby .. click on video classes in the top part of the blog header). There wasn’t any clear liquid that came out after I finished soft boiling the egg.

      March 21st, 2012 12:03 pm Reply
      • Sarah

        Hi Sarah, I watched the video. In it there is a little white material left on the right side of the egg yolk right before you break it apart. Is that different white than egg white or were you just trying to get most of it off for the video? I have had some white things on the yolk that appear different than the egg white. When I have tried to remove this the egg yolk breaks. Thank you.

        March 21st, 2012 12:15 pm Reply
        • Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist

          Yes that is the lining of the egg. It’s fine if the egg yolk breaks. Just remove that bit of lining.

          March 21st, 2012 12:38 pm Reply
  • Molly

    As a heart patient, thank you for taking up the charge on this again. I will keep repeating it until I am blue in the face but people still fight me including my doctors. Because my cholesterol is high, they put me on statins which I kept taking until now. No more. I’m fighting the inflammation fight now. Trying to find all I can about anti inflammation. Please everyone keep spreading the word especially to your docs. I may be moving out of mainstream medical care for the first time in 54 years. Not doing anything but make me sicker. I am grateful to all of you.

    March 21st, 2012 11:49 am Reply
    • Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist

      If your doctor is still spouting the lowfat/cholesterol nonsense, get a new doctor as it shows that he/she is far behind in keeping up with current research and is behind the times.

      March 21st, 2012 12:01 pm Reply
  • colleen

    I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!!!! I saw this doctor’s interview and I almost fell over I was so excited. I called my children down to watch with me which they did and just rolled their eyes knowing that their mother was excited over yet another triumph for traditional foods. I said to them, “I KNOW THIS DOCTOR WILL BE BLOGGED ABOUT ON THE SITES THAT I VISIT”. I was so so excited. See, finally the world in making sense!

    March 21st, 2012 11:43 am Reply
    • Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist

      I am concerned for Dr. Lundell. I hope the Big Pharma dogs don’t come after him and destroy his career like what has happened to others in the past who tried to speak up about the cholesterol/lowfat nonsense.

      March 21st, 2012 11:59 am Reply
      • Carolyn

        Oh but they will… Unless they can find a way to financially benefit from this, you know they are out to get him.

        March 22nd, 2012 9:07 am Reply
  • Kathy

    After my dad’s diagnosis of atherosclerosis in the seventies, I watched as our family’s diet drastically changed. No more butter. Margarine in the squeezable bottle replaced our delicious butter. No more fat allowed on our homegrown meats. The amount of eggs, from our own chickens, that we consumed was reduced drastically. Dad’s health never got better, and he continued to have surgery after surgery related to his atherosclerosis. In the nineties, dad had a quadruple bypass. Dad is still with us, but his quality of life is very low. I will forgive Dr. Lundell, but one man’s mistake can be very far-reaching.

    March 21st, 2012 11:40 am Reply
    • Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist

      Yes, it is good that Dr. Lundell has admitted his error but no doubt he killed many patients in the 25 years of believing in the lipid hypothesis which was disproven decades ago by an intrepid few (one of them being Mary Enig, Board Member Emeritus of the Weston A. Price Foundation) but few would listen back then.

      March 21st, 2012 11:56 am Reply
      • Concerned

        That is a pretty strong statement…as a cardiac SURGEON(not a cardiologist) I believe he saved quite a few lives not ended them. I assume you do not work in the healthcare industry because if you did you would know that any recommendation made by a doctor must be in line with current best practice guidelines as put forth by organization like the American Heart Association, etc. unless otherwise contraindicated. So perhaps we should give MD’s a break as this information about the dangers of the low fat was not understood by mainstream medicine until recently and is still widely unknown by most. Dr. Lundell is a pioneer to admit the medical community is wrong.

        March 23rd, 2012 10:39 am Reply
  • Raine

    Great post Sarah, I posted this article a week or so ago on my FB page, and I’m going to share your post today on my FB page too. I am so glad this information is coming out, and yes, it’s great that the cardiologist admitted he was wrong. He’s so brave to spread this information and I hope more people will wake up and listen. :)

    March 21st, 2012 11:30 am Reply
  • Howard C. Gray via Facebook

    “There’s nothing like butter” ~ Julia Child.

    March 21st, 2012 11:03 am Reply
  • Connie

    Talk about a smack upside the back of my head.. I haven’t had a donut in years, and my husband had a little health scare this weekend and I ate one.. then there was a birthday party with a few more on Monday. So your use of that particular pastry is particularly personal to me, and thanks for that.. even as I was eating them at the party, I knew I needed to stop (I even threw half of one away)

    Thank you for this..

    March 21st, 2012 11:01 am Reply
    • Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist

      Connie, donuts are my absolute favorite junk food. I spent many a midnight hour at a Krispy Kreme during my college years with my friends wolfing a few down after long hours of studying. I don’t eat them anymore either but boy do they taste good. Knowing exactly what they do to our insides (sandpaper to our blood vessels? Yikes!) makes it a much easier decision to just say no when a big box is beckoning at a party or whatnot.

      March 21st, 2012 11:51 am Reply
  • Charlene

    Now to get the silly bureaucrats and judges on board – the ones harassing raw milk farmers and making *food guidelines* that lead to chronic inflammation. Surely they must have loved ones suffering from diseases who could benefit from the very foods they are trying to ban.

    March 21st, 2012 10:50 am Reply
  • Heather’s Homemaking via Facebook

    It seems to be dawning on a few, but it isn’t reaching the majority. Maybe someday.

    March 21st, 2012 10:42 am Reply
  • Kenny Friedman via Facebook

    I saw this story a few weeks ago…I googled Dr. Lundell and found a bit of a checkered past. I wish this wasn’t so, as I’d really have liked to repost his story.

    March 21st, 2012 10:40 am Reply
    • Terrie Schultz

      Hi Kenny, I too found out about Dr. Lundell’s very checkered past: http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/lundell.html

      I really like Sara’s blog, however, I have found that I still have to do my own research before reposting on my blog or sharing with friends/family. Like the one, last week, about Whole Foods. That investigative report by channel 7 was really old but the blog presented it as if it were recent news and I caught hell about it from some of my readers.

      March 21st, 2012 3:12 pm Reply
      • Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist

        Terrie, that news report while a couple of years old, shows a pattern that Whole Foods tricks the public which is why I posted it. A history and pattern of deceit is very important to establish. Here’s the point of posting that video: If Whole Foods can get away with it, they will do it.

        It very clearly says while watching the video that Whole Foods had changed The California Blend product so any confusion about the timeframe of the newsreport is simply from people not watching it through. You can be sure there are other products in Whole Foods right now that are from China that just haven’t been reported on yet. Wal-Foods (oops, is that Wal-Mart or Whole Foods we’re talking about here? Mmmmm. They seem the same don’t they?) is a very deceitful corporation.

        March 21st, 2012 4:20 pm Reply
      • Helen T.

        Quackwatch is a DISINFORMATION site: watch out about that.

        March 22nd, 2012 2:10 am Reply
        • Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist

          Yes, one alternative doctor I heard about from someone said that his career goal was to get on Quackwatch then he would know that he had done something really good for humanity.

          March 22nd, 2012 8:09 am Reply
          • Ariel

            LOL!

            March 22nd, 2012 12:48 pm
      • Kelli

        You actually believe anything you read on Quackwatch? Their the epitome of anti-alternative propaganda.

        March 23rd, 2012 12:10 pm Reply
  • Sarah Watne

    My dad just sent me an article with this information last week! He thought I would find it interesting, and indeed I was stunned! I’m always thrilled when I read little snippets here and there that fall right in line with Weston A. Price. I’ve been reading more and more in the Prevention magazine that supports organics and grassfed meat. We are truly part of a huge movement back to our roots!! Love your blog!!

    March 21st, 2012 10:32 am Reply
    • Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist

      Mothers MUST lead the way on this one. This is our time Ladies. Rise up and DO YOUR THING by feeding your children butter and eating it yourself. It will change the world as we know it.

      March 21st, 2012 11:23 am Reply
      • Ariel

        I second this statement! You go, Real Foodie moms! 😀

        P.S. Thank you so much Mom, for introducing me to real food at an early age and putting me on the right track to be as healthy as possible. Love you! :)

        March 22nd, 2012 12:47 pm Reply
  • Hannah Jones via Facebook

    We love our raw grassfed butter!! :)

    March 21st, 2012 10:20 am Reply
  • thehealthyhomeeconomist via Facebook

    Slowly but surely. Don’t you feel GREAT that you’ve been eating butter for years now :) It always feels good knowing you are ahead of the mainstream curve.

    March 21st, 2012 10:17 am Reply
    • Stanley Fishman

      Yes, Sarah, I do feel great about it. I love butter! Our ancestors knew what to eat, and their most prized food was fat.

      March 21st, 2012 1:21 pm Reply
  • Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist

    Kudos to Dr. Lindell for admitting that he was wrong. We are all human and make mistakes, even doctors with all their years of training and high intelligence. It takes a special person to turn the ship around late in their career and make changes when necessary. I applaud Dr. Lindell for taking a stand on this very important issue for our times.

    March 21st, 2012 10:15 am Reply
  • Brenda Boran via Facebook

    slowly is the operative word here

    March 21st, 2012 10:08 am Reply
  • Brett

    I watched for years as my fathers parents lived a “healthy” life after grandpa’s open heart surgery when he was in his mid 40’s and then both have continual heart issues until a heart attack killed my grandmother. I have adopted a low grain, increased butter life and I am losing weight and feel much better in general. I am grateful for the rally cry to get this word to the world.

    March 21st, 2012 10:08 am Reply
    • Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist

      Perhaps with cardiologists like Dr. Lundell now admitting the failure of the lipid hypothesis, more will return to butter – ideally grassfed butter – as one of the primary fats in their diet particularly for growing children.

      March 21st, 2012 10:12 am Reply
  • Louise Cross Dockerty via Facebook

    is it my imagination or is the light slowly beginning to shine in the hallowed halls of the medical establishment?? :-)

    March 21st, 2012 10:04 am Reply
    • Michelle

      Its about time!

      December 4th, 2012 11:18 am Reply

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