Breastfeeding Viewed as Potential Terrorist Activity by New York Country Club

by Sarah TheHealthyHomeEconomist July 1, 2013

breastfeeding mother booted from glitzy New York country clubWhen ignorance about breastfeeding coincides with an irrational fear of terrorists, what do you get?

A very nasty scene at a ritzy New York Country Club, that’s what!

This is exactly what Belgian diplomat Tom Neijens and his wife Roseline Remans discovered when they stopped by the Metropolis Country Club in White Plains, New York on June 8, 2013 and inquired about having lunch.

Club employees permitted the family to dine on the terrace despite the fact that they weren’t members, whereupon Remans began to discreetly breastfeed her daughter Luka at the table.

Neijens, first secretary of the Belgium Mission to the UN, told the New York Post that a female employee of the club quickly interrupted Roseline’s perfectly legal and proper feeding of her baby with this sharp rebuke:

“Please leave immediately, you are disturbing the members!”

When Neijens protested and said it would only take a few minutes, the female staffer insisted that Remans finish in the restroom.

Understandably incredulous at the blatant ignorance on display at such a high end establishment, Mr. Neijens inquired why a baby would be asked to have lunch in the restroom when adults are not.

The Greenburgh Police Department arrived minutes later with Detective Scott Harding apparently yelling, “Close the doors!” with two other diners ordered to leave the terrace.

Mr. Neijens described the chaotic scene as something straight out of a Western movie with the officer walking around like John Wayne with “one hand on his gun, one hand on his Taser.”

The officer warned the couple that they were trespassing despite the fact that country club staff had given them specific permission to dine.  He also said that some fearful members thought Mr. Neijens’ black backpack indicated they were terrorists.

Most laughable if not actually true, is what the officer came out with next when a tearful Ms. Remans asked why terrorists would breastfeed at a ritzy club:

“In Sri Lanka, babies are used by terrorists.”

Well, you learn something new every day, don’t you?

Attention all breastfeeding mothers. Your milk engorged breasts are actually considered weapons of mass destruction by law enforcement authorities. That liquid is NOT food for your baby. It is actually highly explosive material that could detonate at any time, sparking a chain of events identified by the media as bona fide terrorist activity.

Detective Harding quickly backed off his ridiculous posturing when Mr. Neijens revealed his State Department issued identification.

He dismissed his over the top behavior by explaining that the club had received terrorist threats in the past.

Despite the fact that they were doing nothing illegal or improper and possessed proper identification, the couple was still escorted off the premises via the back door.

A few days later, Mr Neijens sent an e-mail demanding an apology from Country Club general manager Tracy Fraus and assistant general manager Audra Vaccari.

“I am deeply worried about your staff if they cannot distinguish between a European couple looking for a quiet place to breast-feed a baby and suicide terrorists carrying a backpack.”

Lt. B.J. Ryan, a spokesman for the Greenburgh Police Department, labeled the incident as a simple “cultural misunderstanding.”

Ahem. On behalf of breastfeeding mothers everywhere, I beg to differ.

Breasts are not “cultural” and there is no “misunderstanding” their true purpose. They are the universal instrument for optimal feeding of babies.

Not “boob grenades”.

Hard to believe the terrorism handbook didn’t cover this point properly.

Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist

Sources:

Belgian diplomat booted from golf club, treated “like terrorists” over wife’s breastfeeding

Couple “treated like terrorists” over breastfeeding and backpack at ritzy restaurant

 

Comments (226)

    • “Despite the fact that they were doing nothing illegal or improper and possessed proper identification…”

      What is also crazy is the notion that we should all possess proper identification when we are out in public at an eating establishment or anywhere else. Show me your papers!

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  1. Wow…. just… WOW… Oddly enough we are travelling across the country to go to my family reunion and I just looked up the breastfeeding laws in that state in case anyone at the resort wants to bother me about breastfeeding my boy. I hope that all the staff there were punished, and that the officers on the scene were reprimanded severely! That’s just ridiculous!
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      • Yep – states have to pass laws specifically excluding breastfeeding from indecent exposure, and often include caveats about where and when women can breastfeed. I was lucky when I had my daughters; we lived in Hawaii, and the culture there is very open about using breasts for their natural purpose. I could have whipped ‘em out anywhere legally and no one would complain.

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    • No one was invoking any law against breast feeding here. If the country club has a policy which forbids breast feeding, that’s their prerogative. Though the LEO was wrong to bring terrorism into this, I don’t see any reason to ‘reprimand him severely’.

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      • But it’s NOT their prerogative.

        N.Y. Civil Rights Law § 79-e (1994) permits a mother to breastfeed her child in any public or private location. (SB 3999)

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  2. Amy Salberg via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 9:27 am

    More and more of this kind of kooky stuff is happening lately. Either the American Sheeple have lost their minds completely, or we are in for even more infringements on common sense (and on our rights, when government is involved on the other side). Perhaps both.

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    • So remember everyone. When you see someone being harassed about breastfeeding, go support that woman! Or even if there is no harassment, you can still tell that woman she is doing a good thing. And if you see anyone behaving against common sense, stand up for the right side. A lot of times people just shake their heads and walk by. Think how this could have ended quickly if a patron of that club intervened with common sense at that moment.

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  3. Em Singh via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 9:27 am

    1st world society has gone so out of touch that breasts are only seen as things for men to play with. Its even sadder when you see that so many women actually support that notion. The women’s movement never intended for their bodies to be sexualized and degraded in this way. Or for nursing babies to be compared to deification, sex or numerous other “no-table” activity.

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  4. Angela R Sago via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 9:33 am

    like we learned to say about critical strangers when we were kids: if you don’t like what ya see, don’t look! further, I’ve never seen a nursing mom in public who didn’t have a burp cloth or scarf, or some kind of cover over her nursing baby. So you can’t “see anything” anyway! so wth are they whining about, I’ll never know.

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  5. Betty Inarkansas via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 9:34 am

    I feel ur oo bad for the couple. An example of insanity and yes, the lack of common sense in our country!!!

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  6. Angela R Sago via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 9:34 am

    and they shouldn’t look at a nursing baby anyway, no one likes to be stared at when they’re eating. ;)

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    • Today’s America: egotistical, goody-goody, holier-than-thou, hypocritical, ‘We’ have been insulated from the ‘real world’ for so long we don’t even know what is basic or natural.

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  7. It’s like I’ve said many times–common sense isn’t very common any more! Who trains these people? Let an Israeli team come in and teach them for one week–I’m confident that’s all it would take–and they would know what to do and what NOT to do. People!

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  8. Looking at this, thinking about the teacher that got fired for teaching his class about oldfashioned agriculture, the more reasent one about the man that got treathened with fines and imprisonment for planting flowers, etc …
    Did “Common Sense” take off for some much needed holidays at the far side of the galaxy ? Hnnn … o.O

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  9. Nadine Jacobs Gammon via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 9:47 am

    At restaurants or even public places I am always on guard and feel like I need to have a response ready for someone who is going to comment about me BF. I am always covered, so not sure WHAT they would have to say. BF in public shouldn’t be stressful.

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  10. Amber Waves OfGrain via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Sorry, I don’t believe for a second that anybody thought they were terrorists…The management knew which code words to use for maximum police force in minimum time against a family just eating lunch and breaking no laws. I also doubt the police would have reacted so in a poorer area, versus a country club.

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    • I have to agree with you here. Police have to respond based on what they are called to with the information given. They have to treat everything as it that were true then adjust. Obviously the Det. backed off when he saw the real story. The bad guys here are the intollerant “members” that were offended and the staff for calling it in as they did. People are so quick to blame the police. I think people think they are manipulated by the gov’t in a way they are not. Gov’t involvment happens at a higher level of law enforcment (FBI and other agencies perhaps) and when needed local police provides assistance. For the most part these are local guys who live in and care about the community. This example of blaming the cops goes to show that the sheep are afraid of the sheepdog because he reminds them there are wolves and they just don’t want to think about that. Who do they hide behind though when the wolf comes around? A little respect or maybe people should call a crack head next time they want help.

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    • Y.G. , Nourishing Traditions in Odessa Texas July 4, 2013 at 3:49 pm

      Amber. I agree with you. I don’t think they were viewed as terrorist. I think they needed an excuse to make them leave.

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    • They were breaking a law: they were trespassing. The fact that they were ‘given specific permission to dine’ is irrelevant – that permission was rescinded when they started breast-feeding and were asked to leave. The police officer was wrong to engage on the couple on terrorism and breast feeding; the proprietors asked them to leave and they refused – that’s all there ought to have been to it to him.

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      • The law gives permission to breast feed anywhere public or private. Once the country club told the woman to breast feed in the restroom and attempted to stop her from nursing, where she was otherwise a welcome and paying patron, they were breaking the law. They attempted to violate the law which gives clear permission for her to breast feed in public or private.

        They aren’t trespassing simply because you don’t want them doing a legally protected activity at your place.

        Breastfeeding is protected by law plain and simple.

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      • They weren’t trespassing until the establishment broke a law. I hope they sue the crap out of this country club – as they rightfully could do so, given that there is a law that states they had the RIGHT to feed their child, when that “private establishment” gave them permission to dine. Breastfeeding IS dining.

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  11. Terrillynn West via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 9:56 am

    See they are just using the word terrorist to do the most they can to people for NO reason. Kill their animals throw them in jail just generally do what ever they please.

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    • Christi Bednarek July 2, 2013 at 4:09 pm

      It really does not matter what you “think”. My child’s nutrition is more important. The law states that my baby has a right to eat. Not that a law should even be needed.

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      • On the private property of someone else, it really doesn’t matter what you ‘think’. If you’re asked to leave and you don’t, that’s trespassing.

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        • It doesn’t matter if it was private property or not. The law clearly states that mothers have the right to breastfeed their child in any location PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.

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    • Than you are not permitted to eat in public. Why should my baby starve just because you don’t think it’s proper. I would not ever consider what anyone feels is proper over my baby crying because he’s hungry. I’m sure my whole city has seen my breasts with my sons. I know everyone has a right to their own opinion but to me my baby’s right to a more important.

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    • So busy mothers should let their baby starve til they get home?? When youre out and about do you just grab a bite to eat or wait til you get home? Your comment is proof that this country is stupid and backwards in its thinking of breast feeding.

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    • It’s not a crime, but I still don’t think it’s okay for adults to talk with their mouths full of food. Or to chomp down in traffic on a juicy burger from Burger King, dripping mayo and ketchup and junk all over their faces. Unfortunately, there isn’t a law protecting people who want to eat like hogs at a trough in a public or private location, which is far more “disturbing” to the rest of us who have to hear it and see it than to see a mother discreetly nursing her infant.

      There is, however, a law protecting the rights of a woman to breastfeed her child in a public or private location.

      Get over yourself. We have kids to feed.

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  12. Nancy Kvapil via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 10:03 am

    So Kim Kaminski you are ensuring that a mom never leaves her house because infants eat frequently and sometimes just need comforting and that almost always means the breast. I breast fed all of mine and if the general, uneducated public didn’t like it, too bad. I was less exposed than most fashionistas are. Exposing their chests with low cut shirts, or extremely short skirts. Those offend me so they should only wear them in private.

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  13. Rob Bognar via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Oddly enough, NY state has a right to breastfeed law: 1994 NY ALS 98; 1994 NY LAWS 98; 1994 NYSN 3999 79-e Right to Breast Fed. Not with standing any other provision of law, a mother may breastfeed her baby in any location, public or private, where the mother is otherwise authorized to be, irrespective of whether or not the nipple of the mother’s breast is covered during or incidental to the breast feeding.

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  14. I’m actually reading this while BF my daughter. I have fed her many times in restaurants and nobody even knows. I’m always covered up. Some people act like they are so against it but will go out in a shirt or bathing suit that shows more than a nursing mom shows. They need to stop looking if they dont like it.

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  15. Lyndsey Stark Stang via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Stop paying the media by watching their lies on tv and they will stop creating stories to make money and people will stop being so afraid of everything.

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    • They’re white Belgians. I don’t see how that’s racial profiling if they’re the same race as the people who are mistreating them. Unless, the people who run the country club are not white, it’s not a racial issue. It’s just a bunch of jerks who didn’t want non-members breastfeeding in their club.

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    • ??? Are you blaming the mother here? I’m confused by your comment. What part of the story indicates that she wasn’t discrete? The breast’s natural function is to provide nourishment for infants. I suppose she should let her baby go hungry and cry. THAT would be a lot more “discrete”. Wow, I can’t even begin to understand a mentality like yours. Thank God I don’t. It must be hard when you’re so concerned with what everyone else is doing. You must get angry a lot.

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      • I would certainly hope she wasn’t discrete. After all, we want nursing mothers to be part of the world around them, not separate, right? Now, if she was being *discreet*, then that’s fine if it’s what makes her more comfortable :)

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  16. holy boob grenades batman! we’ve got our selves some ‘terr’ists’! IDIOTS!!!! i would have squirted those idiots square in the face. imagine if these dolts knew that THC was in all mother’s milk?! they would have been arrested for drug smuggling, too!! so embarrassing. ‘cultural’? hahahahahaaa! that is hilarious.

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  17. Emily Keffler via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Giving birth is the most normal thing you can do as a human being. Feeding your baby at the breast is the second most normal. It was how we were created, otherwise why would women lactate!? While I don’t think it’s necessary to throw nursing in America’s face to normalize it our culture is mildly ridiculous in it’s treatment of mothers feeding their babies in public.

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  18. It’s pretty amazing that today this can happen. I contrast this experience with one I had about 37 years ago. I was travelling with newborn twins (I think they were about 3 months old at the time) and stop at a restaurant off the highway for dinner. I asked for a corner booth and was offered one near the back where I had room to put my babies down in their car seats. I was (like this woman) discreetly feeding the babies before my dinner came. When it did come, the waiter had cut up my steak for me! saying “my wife fed our babies”.

    I admit that was a one off experience, other places were less friendly but I was never asked to leave or hide in a bathroom (I wouldn’t have).

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  19. It’s obvious that the employees knew it was a baby, but called the cops when she refused. Also I’m amazed that they suggested the restroom to feed. The restroom?! A place where even places of business require you to wash before returning to work.

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  20. Brittany Hughes Ardito via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Yes, God forbid we mothers actually use our breasts for what God gave them to us for!

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  21. Lmao! I can not believe the stupidity of some people. And American like to think that they are the most advanced culture out there …. wrong! We are so backwards in our thinking and beliefs and just the fact that people get so upset by a woman breast feeding her child proves it .get off your high horses and stop thinking you’re so much better . Americans are the worse thought of people in the world and after what happened to a Diplomat lol well it didn’t get any better I’m sure. What happened to those poor people was rude , degrading and hostile . that idiot cop should have to write them a apology for his stupid remarks to them . personally Country clubs are passe and should be gotten rid of .it also goes to show that just cause you have money doesn’t mean you have any sense . you can still be as stupid as a brick.

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    • We’re not all like that. Don’t paint all Americans with the same brush. There are many Americans on this page who are outraged and I guarantee if this went national, most Americans would think the country club was out of order. Just because there are some rude people in a country doesn’t mean that ALL people in that country are rude.

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    • So then a woman would have to stay home for two years or so while breastfeeding? Ridiculous! Also, you can breastfeed a baby in public and still be modest. I can promise you the only who has seen my breast besides medical professionals is my husband, not the general public at large. It is very easy to be modest. However, that being said, I attended a protest a few months ago and I saw a few woman pull the whole breast out to feed their babies. Frankly, who cares?

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    • And your comment makes me wonder, Lauri, have you breastfed a baby for any decent amount of time? Concerns like yours are usually from people who have no experience themselves or have never seen anyone else do it. Once you use your breasts for feeding, they really just become tools. Really, it is de-sexualization (inventing this term), which we could use more of in this country.

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      • Rebecca,
        As a matter of fact I did breast feed for 2 years. So I have experience. The problem is modesty. When I breast fed I went to a bathroom and fed in private. Do you realize men are visual people? All they have to do is see a woman breast feeding and they are not thinking- oh she is just nourishing her child, no they just go right to sexual things! You want to de-sexualize this country then get rid of the men!! If women want to breast feed, great, but do it in private!! Not in the middle of a restaurant!! MODESTY! This country has lost that concept all together.

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        • Why compromise the health of your baby because of what some men might think? If they are thinking sexual thoughts of breasts that are being used in a very un-sexual way, that is their problem. Feeding a baby in a public restroom in unsanitary. Think of everything you’ve done on a toilet. Would you want that next to you while you’re eating? Does it seem appetizing or even healthy to be around the activity, smells and sounds that go on in a public bathroom? No. So I’m a hell of a lot more comfortable if a man is looking in my direction (which has never happened; even the group of teenage boys weren’t staring the other day in Zaxby’s) while I breastfeed my son in public than being in a place where we go to poop, pee, throw up, blow our noses or change our pads and tampons.
          We can’t control what others might be thinking about us, but as women we can be in charge of our children’s health. That should be our top priority as mothers.

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        • I have never known a man who thinks that way if he has a wife or mother that breastfeeds. So the problem doesn’t lie with the breastfeeder. The problem lies with the other people who have not been exposed to it. They need to educate themselves. The more you are around breastfeeding, the more normal and not at all sexual it becomes.

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    • Hon, it IS private. Once in my life I’ve seen a woman not cover up while breastfeeding. Most women don’t want to be stared at or even noticed while breastfeeding, and you’ll see LESS boob than normal. The only reason it’s an issue is because it makes YOU uncomfortable just knowing that’s going on. Sorry, it makes my baby happy, and it’s natural, so get over it.

      It’s also a women’s rights issue. Why should we be cloistered just to comfort our children and ensure they are fed?

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    • Laurie,
      Totally agree. Some women need to show a little decency with their breastfeeding. Nobody wants to see their private stuff. Keep it respectful. We all have to live in this world together, so its not like I would excluded breastfeeding mothers (that’s not really fair), but keep it hidden. Please do not pull stuff out in front of my eyes as if you had a right to do that to me. It is a violation.

      Simple solution: before you start doing this act involving your private parts in public, cover up with a light blanket. No one would even know what you’re doing.

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      • Oh thanks Daniel for telling us women how do use our breasts. Wow. I’ve never heard of using a blanket to cover up before. How enlightening. Did you think that up all on your own? Stop looking if you’re uncomfortable. I bet you have no problem with cleavage though. For the record, I’ve never seen a woman NOT have a blanket over her when she’s breastfeeding in public. Have you? Or are you just making things up? It’s EXTREMELY rare to see a woman nursing in public, period. And when you do see them, they’re normally covered. Just so you know, breasts aren’t meant to be sexual. Men can walk around without a shirt, but how dare a woman privately try to provide nourishment to her babe. Ugh. Your comment is so ignorant.

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        • Kay,
          I’m apologize if the comment was offensive; to tell the Truth, I have seen women breastfeed in very indiscrete ways.

          I never said it was a revolutionary idea to cover up with a blanket; that is why I said *some women* (not all – because I’ve seen many women cover up with a blanket) need to be more discrete. I am thankful for the women who cover up, showing respect for their family and the public at large.

          For the record, I go out of my way not to look at any part of a woman except her face whenever I have to talk with her.

          Sorry if I came off offensively; as I said, we all live in this community, and we have to find a way to live together without trampling on one another – in some semblance of harmony.

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        • Kay,
          I understand it is a sensitive issue, but women’s parts are not the only factor in play; other peoples’ eyes are also being brought into play.

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          • Would you feel the same way if I urinated in front of your eyes and said “just turn your head – stop complaining”? No. That is an affront. That is how I feel.

      • I wipe my breasts out for breast feeding my kids. I don’t expect you to wear a blanket over your head while eating don’t expect my child wear a blanket over their head will eating. I don’t care what anyone says or what their feelings are about the situation my baby is far more important than anybody’s opinion.

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        • Please understand that having a blanket over one’s head makes the air all stale and hot. Many older babies will just refuse. Younger babies who aren’t coordinated enough to pull it off, can actually suffer from the lack of oxygen. Using a blanket is not a reasonable thing for many, many nursing moms.

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          • That is a good point. I’ve never thought about there not being enough oxygen. There has to be some sort of answer for this other than, “I whip my breasts out…”.

        • Mandi,
          That’s just selfish – and its probably how most people think. Oh well. People will do whatever they want just like they always have.

          Good day

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          • Daniel, how can a baby eating the food that God intended him to eat in way that God intended him to eat it in any way close to urinating in public? That would be a selfish act by doing what you want to do with no regard to others around you. Breastfeeding is the opposite of that by meeting the needs of another human being.
            Just because women have breasts and men like breasts doesn’t mean that babies shouldn’t eat what is best for them. A mother being brave enough and committed enough to breastfeed despite the odds against her success is the furthest thing from selfish. A mother meeting the needs of her baby is a very unselfish thing to do. Being unconcerned with other’s opinions is a skill that every mother has to attain in order to be a successful parent.

            I hope that your insensitive comments have never made a new and vulnerable mother give up on breastfeeding.

  22. There are just so many ways that this is wrong. In the 21st century, and New York? The whole terrorist comment is obscene to me. It trivializes the entire discussion of what it means to protect the pubic against actual violence. At a minimum I hope the Country Club is a little embarrassed at the overreaction. And for the couple with their child, I hope this won’t be there predominant impression of America. I’d like to say that I’m surprised at this story, but sadly, I’m not.
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  23. Karen Kaup Paschkes via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    I don’t get it- what does sri lanka have to do with white plains? and it’s controversial to have a black backpack?

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  24. In reading these comments after the article, I’m struck by how many folks think of this as a ‘common sense’ issue….and are surprised by the fundamentalist views around them. What I see is a critical need for us all to wake up to the fact that we are increasingly surrounded by dogma: religious, fanatical, political, ideological….we have put many people in places of power who make decisions based on these perverted views. Presidents, doctors, lawyers, priests, televangelists, entertainers, police, not to speak of mothers and fathers. That breastfeeding could EVER be anything but the most natural wholesome and unquestionable right, and the correct choice for every baby—is a sign of how far down this road we’ve come. We have the American Medical Industrial complex to thank for this. I was raised on ‘formula’ which consisted of Karo syrup and canned milk. The doctors and child-raising ‘experts’ of the time recommended this. We are a tight-assed, fearful, puritanical, Victorian-era culture set against a capitalist nightmare orgy of exploited women and pumped up bodies with blank minds. I wish there were easier answers. It is tempting to talk about ‘common sense’. But I think we’re going to have to be much more ninja about this. REMOVE people who make decisions about the way we are going to live, from places of power. Encourage those who are civil, social, intelligent, nuanced, and educated (and we’re not just talking about school here) to step up to the plate. Step up yourself. Take back our culture, indeed. It’s going to take alot of work…..

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  25. I breastfed all of my ( now grown ) children in the mall, restaurants, the library, wherever we happened to be. I learned from attending La Leche League meetings to nurse discreetly. And I taught my kids that breastfeeding is natural and bottle feeding is indecent!

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    • Miriam Kearney July 2, 2013 at 4:06 pm

      thanks for mentioning ‘the league’; I should have done so. They were immensely supportive and helpful when I was breastfeeding my children (also all grown – eldest daughter is celebrating 40th this year). And I want to confirm that ‘discreet’ is also common sense. I didn’t want to be on display and always nursed in a way that most people didn’t notice. I remember at a family gathering (of prudes) one gentleman asking if he could hold the baby and I had to say ” sure, as soon as I finish feeding her”.

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    • Bottle feeding is indecent? Really. How nice of you. How would you, in your kindness, suggest that I feed my babies, considering my medically non-functioning breasts? Shall I hide myself away so as not to offend your eyes?

      Just because some people treat breastfeeding mothers rudely does not give you carte blanche to do the same.

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  26. We live in a world (well, country) where what’s normal is abnormal, what is natural is unnatural. We aren’t living in 2013. We are living in 1984!

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  27. I called the Club to very respectfully say two sentences, basically: “I am very saddened this happened at the Metropolis. You are very busy so I’ll let you get on with your day.” The woman, who had answered the phone very sweetly, muted the phone from what I could tell and then after a long pause hung up. No response.

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  28. Laura Villanueva via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    I don’t know when it happened that the word “terrorist” has a new meaning these days…. Yup, common sense is a GIFT few of us have; you cannot change stupid but, it can be sedated. ;|

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  29. Pamela Davis via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    I am fine with it being done in public, but I do think that modesty has a place here. Some women just want to be in your face about it and that’s wrong. As for her being a terrorist, isn’t everyone who exercises freedom labeled a terrorist by our government; it’s ludacris.

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    • I have NEVER, and I mean NEVER, seen a woman who was “in my face” about nursing her baby. Where is this happening? I have no idea what you’re talking about. I think some people just make this stuff up. Feeding a hungry babe is perfectly natural and right. If you don’t like it, don’t look. People are so nosy these days.

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  30. I feel so fortunate to live and raises babies where we are. My son is 2 and while he hasn’t nursed in public since he was one – not interested anymore in nursing when we were out, I always got thumbs up and encouragement from complete strangers. I was discreet because I used a swaddle blanket or carrier but people who knew, were so thrilled and considered my baby very lucky.

    This story is so sad, just like all the others of breastfeeding mothers being harassed.

    And I agree with a previous commenter, lets all stand up for one another. If someone is being bullied or harassed, step in and set it right. I will if I ever have a chance!

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  31. I wonder if the Dept of State will have a nice conversation with the townie cop about being a hysterical dumb-ass to a diplomat?

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  32. Jacqueline Berlin via Facebook July 2, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    Wow; where is the perspective of when is the proper time for police involvement? A breastfeeding mother?! The country club should be cited for an improper call to the police. After all, taxpayers pay for police time.

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  33. Are these instances happening more often, or are they just being reported more frequently, or are people just getting more and more stupid, because I breastfed both my children discreetly in public, on a daily basis, about 2 decades ago, and I never had any problems. I think this US society is getting more and more wacky by the minute. Instead of evolving, I think people are losing brain cells and reverting over to barbarian level. EVERYTHING is a violation now. Before long, you won’t even have the right to breastfeed in your own home!!

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  34. This actual real life event is horrendous and hints at the kind of mentality gripping the law enforcement agencies of America…..I am utterly ashamed of this country’s authorities!!! Although the magazine “thehealthyhome economist.com” treated this as funny, it’s absolutely abhorrent!!!

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  37. I apologize for this being off topic, but I can use some quick advice and didn’t know where to ask.

    I am devasted because by young son will be having a root canal on his permanent molar. Believe me, I have tried too persuade my husband to give me a chance to heal it. But he thinks that is looney talk. We are a raw milk, fclo/hvbo family. So this was a huge shock. I realize now that my mistake was not doing sealants and having to many grains and processed junk.

    So my question is, if anyone can help. What can I do toJ protect him fom all the toxins from surgery and recovery afterwards? Does anyone know how long to wait until he can oil pull? I gave him some benonite clay just now and will do that after the procedure as well. And also I will have him soak in an Epsom salt bath if he feels up to it later. I have bone broth made and ready. ANY other advice would be good. I am really scared for him but doing my best to not show it.

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    • sounds like you need to follow your instincts on this one and not back down. do a thorough job of presenting the risks and dangers of root canals to your husband. and ask yourself, does he really need a root canal, or is the dentist just trying to make a buck? just because the dentist said one thing, don’t go into shock mode. get a few more opinions. see a biological dentist.

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  39. lol the look on the little baby girl’s face is like, “How can people that stupid manage to keep breathing?”

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  41. “Cultural Misunderstanding”??? I’m sorry…but um, this was a place in the United States of America, not Sri-Lanka and this couple are not Sri-Lanken…so um, why would this be labeled as “Cultural Misunderstanding”…yes as someone else stated…ignorance, pure ignorance…and a way of getting out of saying “I’m sorry for telling you to not feed your baby and for mistaking your boobs as bombs.” Oh and it also sounds like the cops have special in’s with the club because they were stupid enough to cave to the owners and diners or maybe they knew that somebody with influence could change the status of their jobs. Regardless, this is stupid, ridiculous and really hilarious when you think of it. Boob bombs….AHHHHH, everyone run for your lives!!! Oh and maybe it’s the new movement against raw, unpasteurized milk causing problems…because you all know that it’s terribly detrimental to your health!!!!

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    • Also, I am sure that these “diners” and “staff” at the high society, snobby cafe have never stepped foot into a Victoria’s secret and when their ads come on TV they close their eyes and when a gal walks by them with a shirt that leaves nothing to the imagination they put their hand up to hide their eyes or tell her to go somewhere else because she is bothering them. That being said, I still agree with the idea that women need to breastfeed discreetly and not have their boobs out for all to see. That is for their family alone.

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  42. Y.G. , Nourishing Traditions in Odessa Texas July 4, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Maybe it’s a “Cultural Misunderstanding” because it did not happen in Sri-Lanka. I think in Sri-Lanka they have no issues with breasfeeding in public.

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  43. This was just ignorance on the part of the country club and puritanical BS. They were shocked that anyone would breastfeed in public, considered it ‘lewd’, called the police, who THEN learned the couple was not American, and translated that into ‘boob bombs’. The country club needs to fire some people, and so does the police force. The police should have pulled the caller aside and threatened them with jail, that would have been the end of it. Travellers, beware. America DOES insist for the most part that babies eat in the toilet, not out where people can see boobs being used in the way they are DESIGNED to work.

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    • Ah, but they have to ensure that only ‘the right kind of people’ visit the club. Clearly, a breast-feeding mother is not the kind of person they would consider socialising with. Or maybe the club members are the Dominique Strauss Kahn kind, and the staff were worried for the mother’s safety?
      I wonder about little Luka too, would she be bullied and rejected by her peers at school for having been breastfed? Or would a private school reject her application on the grounds that she was breastfed?
      The idea of breastfeeding your baby in the loo is also quite bizarre.

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  45. It IS LEGAL to breastfeed a baby in the State of New York in all places of public accommodations. The couple should sue the City of Greenburg and the country Club. They should demand training for all police department personnel in that silly little town. And as well, they should initiate a complaint with the New York State Civil Rights Division. Lastly, their Embassy should begin an official complaint against the Club, the appropriate staff, and the City officials for a violation of the Vienna Convention on the status of diplomats. http://www.nyclu.org/publications/your-breastfeeding-rights-new-york

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    • Are you even a member of a club? Clubs have the right to set their house rules, just as they are allowed to discriminate when selecting members.

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  46. STUPID has gone to a new level.
    The employees of this country club are fools.
    The police that responded are even more of a joke.
    This couple should get a shark lawyer and sue everyone involved!

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  51. This is not stupid. Terrorists’ acts like those on 911 and in Boston have set up processes that are now being used against us in a systematic fashion. Wake up. There is more coming . . . regular Americans are listed as potential terrorists next to Al Qaeda. Just look FBI’s website. Think of how politicians, supreme court judges, and others in power can be blackmailed by the NSA and CIA monitoring and categorizing of everything we do digitally.

    I do agree that the black backpack the man had can be misconstrued as a terrorist tool. One was used in Boston. The only problem with that is the two Tsarnaev brothers had grey and white backpacks. Think about that one for a moment . . . .

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  54. This is by far the D U M B E S T thing I have heard! Are we so traumatized and paranoid we are going to take things to these extremes? Those are signs of bad things to come! Ver BAD things!

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    • Since when are animals stupid, with that remark you are offending animals, only humans are stupid sometimes or maybe most of the time.

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  56. I am a Sri Lankan and the terrorists were using child soldiers not babies. There are no terrorists in Sri Lanka now. The war ended in 2009.

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  57. Look at the beady little eyes on that kid! He is clearly a threat to national security! I suppose next the idiots in White Plains will be demanding that we deport all Belgian diplomats from the country immediately.

    What is it about the North East that just makes people act crazy?

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  58. This is outrageous and if we are upset about this behavior by our public servants we, as Americans, can do something about it. We must hold our elected officials accountable for regulating law enforcement as well as other bureaucrats.

    That is why I work diligently within my community to help people who believe in LESS government. The government is in fact run by people and what makes that set of people more capable of regulating our lives than ourselves?

    The country club will feel the result of their actions in their patronage. I am also personally calling them Monday to complain about their behavior.
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    • If people respected the rights of free association in this country, the members of that country club would have been free to post whether they allowed breastfeeding on their premises and the couple, and anyone else, would have been free to choose another establishment to patronize. THAT would have been havng a civil discussion about the issue of breastfeeding. Instead, far too many ignorant Americans believe that the law is the proper too for “socially engineering” their neighbor’s attitudes.

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  59. And this was a diplomat from Belgium? What was he going to do? Detonate a backpack full of waffles? Haha ..no wonder Americans are hated all over the world.

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  60. Honestly, it is gross. I don’t want to see it in public And its insulting to have to stare at a grown woman’s inflated tit. We have too many children on the planet as it is. If you insist on having one, leave it at home if you are going out for a nice lunch in an ADULT environment.

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    • well why dont you start by eliminating yourself……you were once a child.. how do you think your mother fed you ???? secondly you pervert… if you dont like it DONT FREAKING LOOK

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  61. If i had a time machine I would go to england and deal with the Puritan sect accordingly. As you can see we are still dealing with the ripples of a group using morality religion an complete denial as a template for social mores and laws. A group so completely removed from nature as to be absurd and ridiculous every day. This is yet another policy born of cowardice on so many levels. Isolated in fear yet rationalized closer to God. good grief charlie brown

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  63. Jasmine Hunter (NZ) July 7, 2013 at 3:10 am

    Please define “European”

    Quote: “I am deeply worried about your staff if they cannot distinguish between a European couple looking for a quiet place to breast-feed a baby and suicide terrorists carrying a backpack.”

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  65. Machiavellian Morphologist July 7, 2013 at 6:07 am

    You certainly look scary. You guys seriously need to be locked away. Imagine the shock of the Booby Trap that you unleashed on the unsuspecting diners. Seriously though guys that’s just wrong how you were treated and if you can afford it I would pursue a damages case.

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  66. I take exception with some comments stating the situation, lack of breastfeeding tolerance is caused by religion or puritanical beliefs. I have very strong Christian beliefs. I have nursed three girls a total of five years. I nursed everywhere. I was never reprimanded or approached in public. This story is about very sad stupidity. I hope the couple takes legal action against the country club and police. The whole situation is ridiculously sad.
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  67. How many people reading this article still think that 9-11 and all the others acts were legitimate? Your ability to be conned has led us to this point.

    By officially debunking the official stories, we’ll put this whole ‘war on terror’ scam to bed.

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  68. It makes me so sad that these few people make all of NY and America look bad. We are always seeing those few people who over react or do dumb things because it is more entertaining than the 90% of people that still have common sense. I am from upstate NY and this behavior is appalling and almost everyone I know would be appalled by it.

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  69. Of all of the stupid non sensical stuff read about and then find they have been sued for being stupid you would think people would learn. I hope people boycott that restaurant just for being stupid.

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  71. So… a bunch of lactating women, positioned strategically around a country-club, breasts detonating in unison, could take down said country-club? If their explosive breasts were used to augment the already known explosive nature of infants, we could be talking genocide! No wonder liberals are pushing so hard for birth control. No babies = no lactation. No lactation = every country-club becomes a safe haven.

    I wonder if Obama would be willing to consider cutting one of his vacations short in order to provide funding for my study of women’s breasts?…

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  72. The real issue here is someone using the terrorist fear to enforce his will over others, basically doing what terrorists do. It’s more than obvious that terrorism was not the problem. The problem was the couple not complying with the staff request which was just the reflection of the other customers’ complaints. When they couldn’t get what they wanted, they threw the terrorist suspicion in there to get the police involved. Let’s get real, if you really think that there’s a terrorist with a bomb in the same room where you are, you don’t complain to the waiter and stay there, you run away like the devil is on your heels. And the police comply because, in the terrorist madness, no “suspected terrorist” call can be ignored. Common sense is thrown out of the window, as usual, and “proper procedure” has to be followed. I think the couple should have left as soon as they were informed that they were not welcomed anymore. After all, it’s a private place and the people in charge ask them to leave. A disgusting attitude for a someone trying to get your business, no doubt about it, but they were on their right to do it. If I were the police, I’d severely punished all those saying that they suspected a terrorist attack where there was none and not even a hint of a possibility of one. If I were the police, I’d fire all the officers involved for showing lack of common sense.

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    • i’m sure plenty of the officers thought it was ridiculous. often they have to do as they are told, a lot like military. a lot of the times many of the police are outside stopping traffic or whatever they are instructed to do and they don’t even know what the issue is. but i don’t know that area of the country, maybe the officers aren’t that great out there. not sure.

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  73. WHAT kind of training do these Police Officers get??
    No comment on the grossly insensitive comments made by restaurant employees. Tourism anyone? HA!

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  81. I don’t agree with what the Club and police did at all, but I do think the article is slightly misleading. They never said that they were suspected terrorists for breastfeeding, or that the breasts are viewed as terrorist bombs (or whatever). The thing pointed out as the suspicion was the backpack, NOT the mother breastfeeding.
    One more thing that I recently learned is that if you are asked to leave a place, no matter why you were granted entrance (Club, grocery store, whatever) if they tell you to leave and you do not, you are then considered to be trespassing. I don’t necessarily think it’s right, I just know that’s the way it is. They were told they could eat there, and then asked to leave, and on that basis they were accused of trespassing.
    Again, I think they were perfectly fine to breastfeed, I think the Club owners overreacted, but I just wanted to point out that the backpack, not the breasts, was pointed out as terrorist suspicion (probably related to the Boston marathon bombing), even though that was also overreacting .

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    • ok, but truly, it was probably more like they didn’t like the breastfeeding and the backpack was the excuse. how many times daily do you see a backpack? do you freak out every time and think it’s a bomb? lucky he had a backpack so the club could blame it on that.

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      • I agree, I think it was because they were uncomfortable around breastfeeding, but the article seems to indicate that they think breastfeeding is terrorist, when that didn’t seem to be the issue. And again, I think freaking out at a backpack is still overreacting.

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        • Backpack or not, the family was asked to leave, and they refused to leave. The club had every right to ask them to leave since they were not members. It seems to me that they were allowed to dine as non-members as a privilege, not a right. I think the club had every right to call the cops when they refused to leave when asked to do so.

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  82. When I get children I’m going to breast feed in public if I find myself in the need to do so. I think it’s very important that people don’t forget the baby’s right to eat in public just like everyone else. It’s not like you’r showing your boobs off… You’r feeding a child! It’s actually a good thing!

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  83. How about. Fuck New York! have you been there, its asshole central! the police are criminals who get away with anything. Paranoid about terrorist, yes because they are shitty people, and shitty people worry about people they have previously fucked with coming back. So who is really surprised?

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  84. The family was allowed to dine at the club despite not being members. They should have respected the club’s policies. There are a lot of restaurants that don’t allow children or babies to dine, so it is perfectly reasonable for the staff to ask the family not to breastfeed in public. Clearly the family did not belong at the club restaurant as they did not culturally understand that they are supposed to respect house rules at a private club. It was reasonable for the staff to call the police when the family refused to leave–they were given permission to dine at the club and the staff have every right to revoke the permission. If they don’t want to adhere to house rules, they should not have dined at a private club; perhaps they should have gone to some diner or pizzeria. Similarly, I would not want to see someone breast-feeding if I was dining at a nice restaurant. The family seemed selfish and with no regard for other guests at the restaurant.

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