Tdap Shot Pushed on Pregnant Women Despite Fetal Risks

by Sarah TheHealthyHomeEconomist July 6, 2012

20 Weeks!

In 2011, the Center for Disease Control (CDC) issued a recommendation that pregnant women receive the Tdap shot at 20 weeks gestation.  Tdap combines the Tetanus, Diptheria, and Pertussis (whooping cough) vaccines into a single jab.

This recommendation was in response to continued outbreaks of whooping cough around the United States, the most recent located in Washington State which is currently in its 20th week with 2,786 reported cases.

When a doctor recommends a certain prenatal treatment such as the Tdap shot, no doubt most pregnant patients trust the doctor’s advice and assume that the shot has been proven safe and won’t in any way harm her baby.

The truth is that the Tdap shot has never been proven safe for use during pregnancy.  In fact, Tdap is classified by the FDA as a Class C drug.

The definition of a Class C drug which is how the Tdap shot is classified:

Animal reproduction studies have shown an adverse effect on the fetus and there are no adequate and well-controlled studies in humans, but potential benefits may warrant use of the drug in pregnant women despite potential risks.

How Dangerous Are Class C Drugs Like the Tdap Shot?

To give some idea of how dangerous Class C drugs during pregnancy actually are, let’s compare SSRI drugs, more commonly known as anti-depressants which are also categorized as Class C during pregnancy.

Studies have shown that SSRIs taken during pregnancy increase the risk of birth defects of the heart and lungs.  Another study in the Netherlands found an association between preterm birth and delayed fetal head growth for those mothers taking anti-depressants. More recently, a study out of CHE Ste-Justine’s Research Center in Canada, indicated SSRIs can increase blood pressure in the mother.   High blood pressure during pregnancy is very dangerous and can lead to a serious and potentially deadly condition known as pre-eclampsia.

Class C drugs are clearly not a safe choice during pregnancy.  Does it make logical sense then for a woman to follow the recommendation of her doctor and receive the Tdap despite the clear risks to her baby?

Is the Tdap Shot Worth the Risk?

The decision whether or not to accept the doctor’s recommendation and receive vaccination with Tdap despite the potential risks to the fetus essentially boils down to one thing:

Is the Tdap vaccine really effective at preventing whooping cough?

The answer to this critical question is a resounding NO as attempts to prevent infants from getting pertussis via vaccination have failed despite a big push to immunize mothers and everyone who will potentially be in contact with the baby after birth, a strategy known as “cocooning”.

In fact, as of June 30, 2012, Australia officially abandoned its funding of the cocooning strategy because clinical evidence has shown it not to be effective at protecting infants.

More damning evidence of the ineffectiveness of the pertussis vaccine is evident in the current outbreak in Washington State.  Dr. DeBolt of the Washington Department of Health indicated that Washington has very high vaccination rates with only a 4% exemption rate amongst school age children.

Despite these high vaccination rates, Dr. DeBolt also reports that the Washington Health Department has been “flooded” with phone calls from concerned parents questioning the effectiveness of the pertussis vaccine and demanding to know why their child had contracted whooping cough despite being completely up to date on pertussis shots.

Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist

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  2. I love reading these paranoid comments. As if your anecdotal experiences amount to empirical evidence. For every parent who blames vaccines for their childs afflictions, there are thousands (if not millions) of children who have no problems with vaccines. Who knows how many of those were saved from contracting the illness from being vaccinated. Oh wait, we do. Damn near most of them. But continue with the hysteria over every vaccine. I cant wait until I can see crippled children from polio again, thanks to the efforts of ignorant Jenny McCarthy parents.

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    • “I can’t wait until I can see crippled children from Polio again”

      You seem like quite the humane and sane individual.

      Also, “Who knows how many of those were saved from contracting the illness from being vaccinated. Oh wait, we do. Damn near most of them.” Maybe you should do some research

      The Tdap came out in 2005.

      Pertussis: “The disease is most dangerous for babies and young children. From 2000 through 2012, there were 255 deaths from whooping cough reported in the U.S. Almost all of the deaths (221 of the 255) were babies younger than 3 months of age.”

      The number of deaths have not fluctuated since the Tdap vaccine came out for the other diseases that the vaccine is supposed to prevent. It indicates that the vaccine is not very effective while potentially inducing other more serious debilitating illnesses for the mother as well as the newborns.

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    • Paranoid? How about real? I’m not paranoid because my son suffered permanent disability after a DPT shot. Where’s YOUR proof that there are thousands or millions of children who have no problems with vaccines? In my small circle of friends I have several who have had children harmed from them. My friend died from a polio vaccine after an extremely difficult life too. I’ve spent forty years reading and researching. How much time and energy have you put into researching the subject? It’s easy to call someone ignorant. We have the right to decline medical treatment we believe is not good for us in the US. I live with my “anecdotal experience” (aka much beloved son) and will until I die. Do I receive help from the so-called medical professionals and pharmaceutical companies? Of course not. You’re unaware of what’s really going on but I won’t call you ignorant.

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  3. Thank you for sharing this! I’m 30 weeks pregnant and my doctor is saying that it is pretty much necessary if I want to protect my baby from a deadly disease that can kill her. I have chosen to stop vaccinating my toddler because of all the risks, but couldn’t find much information on vaccinations during pregnancy and the risk to the baby. I will definitely NOT be getting this!

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  4. I live in Washington state, pregnant with my 3rd child. Before even researching this vacc or the “pandemic” I declined it. They tried to convince me for literally about 5 minutes. I was -18 weeks- pregnant! I later read, in numerous articles condoning the vaccine, that it is NOT safe for Pregnant Women before the 20 weeks Gestation! I was furious, switched doctors! I’m so thankful I didn’t get it that day.

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  5. My parents got me vaccinated when I was little, but they did not get my little sister vaccinated after she was born. When I was little, there wasn’t yet a large public debate over the safety of vaccinations. My sister was a completely healthy baby with no medical problems, up until she was around 11 months old. She contracted Pertussis, and despite being an otherwise completely healthy baby, she died from Pertussis. If my parents had followed the recommended vaccine schedule, she would have already received three doses of DTaP (Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis vaccine) before 11 months of age, and would have most likely had significant immunity from Pertussis.

    I should also mention that I am now 25 years old, and I have had no sign of any complications from any of the vaccines that I received when I was little, before the public “debate” about vaccine safety became big enough to dissuade my parents from vaccinating. Unfortunately, by the time my sister was born, my parents became convinced that vaccines were to risky.

    I realize full well that there are risks to any medical treatment, including vaccines, but it is IMPERATIVE that people consider not only what the possible risks are, but also consider the probability of those risks occurring. Compare that to the severity and probability of the risks of getting one of the many diseases that vaccines can prevent, and for most people, the choice to vaccinate becomes obvious.

    And finally, to those people who claim that the current rise in medical problems is due to the increased vaccinations given to children, I point to a simple historical fact: In the United States, current vaccination laws for children are more lenient than ever. In the early 1900′s, vaccination “raids” against Smallpox took place in the U.S. Officials would storm private homes at night, looking for people who were not vaccinated, and would vaccinate them for Smallpox right there on the spot. If the person refused, they would restrain the person and vaccinate them anyway (for those who don’t know, the smallpox vaccine, which is no longer given since smallpox is now extinct, causes a distinctive scar that lasts for many years, allowing officials to quickly determine if a person had already gotten the smallpox vaccine). That practice was eventually disbanded as Smallpox became less common, and Supreme Court decisions placed limits on compulsory vaccination. Vaccination rates in the past were much higher, as you used to not have a choice at all. Nowadays, with people free to refuse vaccinations if they wish, the vaccination rate in the US has dropped. This fact conflicts with the idea that increasing vaccination rates is causing the increase in medical conditions. An alternative explanation for the increase in long-term medical problems might be that before modern medical care and vaccinations, many more babies died of things like Pertussis, Diphtheria, etc. If those babies had lived, some might have gone on to develop long term medical conditions (due to random chance and other factors). Now that more babies survive past infancy, the rate of medical conditions like autism is likely to increase, as before many babies who might have developed autism died from other diseases before they were old enough to display the early symptoms of long term conditions like autism.

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  7. We live in western WA and our family had the whooping cough about a year before the “epidemic” was identified. We did not visit a doctor, so it was 6 months later that a friend identified our symptoms.
    Sarah, I think your source may be wrong that only 4% of us refuse vaccines. I think we’re higher and the Health folks have been fretting for years. I hear there’s a new law that I’ll bump into in the fall, when I submit my daughter’s school papers, that I need a signature to document I’ve talked with a doctor about not vaccinating. I’m no longer allowed to read up on my own or consult with non-medical people. It’ a shame my doc moved to Hawaii.
    I think people have made good comments – there’s money involved here. Good nutrition makes a huge difference in health. We all need to self educate.
    I want to add one more. Sorry if someone else beat me to it and I missed it. We need babies to be breastfed. My pre-natal research indicated that the immunity passed in breastmilk adjusts to the environment – underweight babies generate more fatty milk. Mom catching a bug generates an immune response, even if Mom isn’t actually sick. And a mom who is full of vaccine serum is not as quick to register the nuances as a mom who experienced various diseases and has natural immunity. (I remember this about measles for sure) (I read this was when vaccinated college kids were ending up in the hospital with mutated measles. So they wanted boosters rather than ceasing the vaccines!?!) My kids were not vaccinated so that their breast milk had the potential to be more healthful than my vaccine rich milk was. Even if some of this is found to be faulty research (given how little they spend on this research – how would they know?) it made sense to me. Breastfeed with maximum immunity.
    Most important – A fully vaccinated nurse caught whooping cough. The Seattle hospital is in crisis mode trying to find all the people he may have infected. My son caught chicken pox (yea!) from a fully vaccinated friend. He had neck lesions his mother said the doctor said were probably viral. DUH! so’s the pox?!? Many vaccines are major fail. And they may be impairing breast-milk’s full potential. I spent my time and money on healthy food instead.

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    • I am in Western WA and I agree with that number seems way too low. I believe this state has one of the highest percentages of kids who are not fully vaccinated on time. I wonder if the 4% only counts school aged public school kids. We have a huge homeschooling population and many, many of them delay or decline entirely.

      We homeschool as well but use one of the public school centers for classes for homeschooled kids so I had to have my permission slips signed for the upcoming school year. If you are looking for a new doctor, a naturopath can sign your waiver.

      My kids caught chicken pox from vaccinated kids too! I was so glad all my kids got it at the same time. The friends we got it from had and outbreak at their school, and guess what, most of the ones who got chicken pox were up to date on their varicella shots.

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  8. I have a question about tetanus (only) vaccination. We have refused vaccinations for our three children (ages 7, 5, and 2) although our first child did receive vacc’s through his 9 month wellness check-up. Anyway, we are concerned about tetanus. We would consider a tetanus vaccination but our doctor’s office only has DTAP.

    Here are my questions.
    First, how would you prevent tetanus from taking hold if a child was hurt by a rusty nail (etc.)? My understanding of the reason that tetanus takes hold is because the wound is deep and narrow and it is hard to clean the toxins(?) out of the wound.

    After an injury that could lead to tetanus, is the ONLY remedy a tetanus shot?
    What are the non-vaccine remedies for after an injury (that could lead to tetanus)?

    Thank you in advance for all thoughts and advice on this. I’ll be out-of-town for the next two days so I won’t be able to respond but I eagerly look forward to learning more.

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      • @ Megan: That should read “heavily cited”, or heavily referenced.

        I think your information is basically sound, however, the idea that packing a newborn baby’s belly button with dirt is dangerous is a bit overdramatic. Depending on where the dirt came from (I mean, if they found the dirt under a leaking garbage bag or something, that wouldn’t be very good!) the clay content in the dirt would make it an excellent choice for just that practice. Clay draws and heals, although it will also stop the bleeding, so if you want something to bleed, you need to let it do that first and then use the clay/dirt; that is something which has been done since time began. As they say, older than dirt . . .

        I will recommend the book Healing Earths: The Third Leg of Medicine – A History of Minerals in Medicine, by W. Rudolph Reinbacher. Clay is made up of minerals, each type of clay having a different proportion of them. I order wonderful clays (french green, french pink, rhassoul, kaolin, fuller’s earth, bentonite) from http://www.mountainroseherbs.com

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    • tetanus by itself is no longer sold in the US. your only option is dtp.
      if your child has never had a dtp (or has only had one or two) and ever has an er kind of cut, and you decide to go the shot route, you need to know to not to get a booster dtp (and make sure the doctor and nurses understand.) you need a different thing, a tetanus immune globulin (TIG.) i believe the dose given depends on the weight of the child. i still can’t understand why all vaccines aren’t given based on weight – all other drugs are.

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    • About 10 years ago, when my kids were little, my doctor and I discussed tetanus. Because I was anti-vaccine, he gave us the advice to use the shot the emergency rooms have. His reasoning was two fold: we’d get that shot in an emergency even if they were vaccinated, AND the outcomes for folks were the same. Meaning people with the shot at the time they needed it were just as likely to avoid lock-jaw as people who carried the serum in their bodies for years. We decided to get the serum if we needed the serum.

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      • I’m with you Ceuson. My doctor told me that we’d need to give the Tetanus shot if any of us got a wound that could become infected. Apparently tetanus is quite prevalent in the soil in the part of New Zealand where I live. I asked how I’d know it was potentially a tetanus type wound and he said ‘trust me, if it’s got potential to be tetanus you’ll be in to see me’ – ie it’ll be so deep. It feels good that we’ll only get the shot if it’s absolutely necessary, rather than just on the off chance. My poor husband had to have it recently as he got biten by a dog :(

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  9. For those who are truly, truly dedicated to finding out about ALL of the warts on our current medical system, not just vaccinations (although vaccinations are, of course, a big part of the medical system, make no mistake) please spend some time reading the pdf. and watching these two videos. They are all quite long, but can be divided into segments of time, if you don’t have time to see/read the whole thing at one sitting.

    It is time you will never regret, I personally guarantee it.

    If any of the links are broken, or for some reason don’t work, you can find them at youtube by doing a general word search. Death By Medicine can be found with a general web search.

    http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf

    Gary Null (this is brand new): War On Health
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=VibVIRsHnI0&annotation_id=annotation_622099&src_vid=0j_WOpioHuw

    General info about the drug industry:
    Here’s a full 3 hour version with no breaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41_8hZoVKjE

    Here’s a short little 3 minute trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMoG9VDWgFg

    I keep pushing this video because I think every single person in America should see it at least once. I’ve watched it, start to finish, several times. When it first appeared at youtube it was only a couple of hours long, but they’ve updated it in the past year to include newer information. It’s horrifying what’s happening to people who have SO much faith in the medical industry and to people who keep their heads buried in the tv commercials.

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    • As a P.S. to my above post, I should state that I am not a fan of Gary Null, insofar as his veganist lifestyle. If he chooses to be a vegan and thinks he’s healthier for it, that’s his choice. I, however, do not believe in veganism or even vegetarianism for a second. I’m a nutrient-dense gal and so is my family. I grew up on nutrient-dense foods myself, that’s how I raised my kids and that’s pretty much how they raise their kids. My husband is a very happy guy with the WAPF-ish lifestyle, as well. We don’t stick to it 100% and some of the things we eat are frowned upon by many (potatoes, for instance) but we eat what we like and about 90% of the time it’s pretty healthy. We do not, however, believe in or promote vegan lifestyles like Gary’s, so I just wanted to make that point for anyone who actually takes the time to watch the video’s.

      Whenever I post links to video’s I always feel like I’m wasting my time, however, because I think few people bother to actually watch and learn. That’s sad. So much vital information at those links I posted. Oh well, all I can do is try, right?

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      • Are you kidding, D? I passed the Gary Null video on since I believe he is the most articulate, talented speaker one could ever come across. Did you see him before the New York State Legislature giving testimony on the H1N1 vaccines (and vaccines in general)? Brilliant!

        Yeah, I’m a bit miffed on him being vegan – nobody’s perfect!

        Please keep posting your finds – thanks……

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  10. Kate Mercurio via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Just a note, I am not in the US and and have had a pregnancy in two different countries, and this is absolutely the first time I have ever heard of vaccines being given to pregnant women. I am just about confident that this is a uniquely American practice.

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  11. Thanks for writing about this, Sarah, as this only further solidifies my past decision. I gave birth to my second this past February and was offered this shot as if it were no big deal, and in fact, a “good idea” because I was pregnant. They pushed again for it after I gave birth. The Dr. did actually pitch the idea to me by including the fine print that the vaccine hadn’t been tested on pregnant women yet (or something along those lines). Despite recently jumping on the anti-vaccine bandwagon since finding your blog among, other things, that was all I needed to hear. REALLY? It hasn’t been proven safe for pregnant women, but you want me to have it!!???? Maybe I’m too proud of my common sense sometimes, but it doesn’t take a medical degree to decide if that’s a good idea.

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  12. It’s starting to be hard to believe that this evil exists…..especially when it’s been presented as helpful. Don’t understand………killing for profits? Have we lost our minds? This is a MORAL issue!

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  13. This whole article makes me sick. I was such an idiot. I have three kids, two are living.
    My 1st pregnancy was a very hormonal one and the Dr. suggested an anti depressant to help
    “even out my moods”. I blindly trusted. They advised I continue to take them postpartum just in case I get the blues. I got pregnant with number two during this time, so I was on these pills
    during his conception. When I asked if it was alright and safe etc…….I was assured, oh yes! Well Joshua was born at 31 weeks and died two days later of a pulmonary hemorrhage. I know it was from the drugs. I was told they are a class C drug at the time, and they said class c was safe. I trusted. I know Joshua’s death could have been prevented. The blinders have come off. I just wish it wasn’t at the cost of my sweet boy.

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    • Sorry to hear that happened but just out of curiosity, how do you know for sure it was the anti-depressants? Is there no natural risk at all for this sort of thing?

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  14. These particular vaccinations don’t affect me personally but after reading through the comments, I had to add a few somethings. For one, none of us can get anywhere by berating others or trying to brow beat them into believing what we believe. There are other ways besides “my way or the highway.” Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, that’s what makes us human…no two of us are alike.

    On another note, as far as being honestly told what’s in a drug, vaccine, side effects, etc…..if you truly want to know, you need to ask for the paperwork that comes in the boxes of things, especially vaccines. You can find some of these things online or in PDR’s., But reason for me saying this, when the swine flu vaccine was being FORCED on everyone, the ones they put first in line were babies and pregnant women. They were being insisted upon being brought in first. In a seminar my chiropractor gave at that time, he brought the sheet from inside the actual drug and showed us where it said to NOT (emphatically NOT) to give to children under 3 OR to pregnant or breastfeeding women. People, you have to take things into your own hands and decide only for yourself. Whatever you choose to do, it’s your decision and yours alone! Don’t let anyone else tell you what to do, listen to all sides, weigh the sides and then decide for yourself and/or your family.

    Mary

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  16. Jennifer Brooks via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    As I said before, I support giving people the right to choose whether or not they vaccinate and I also respect peoples’ decisions not to get vaccinated while pregnant… they just need to be presented with all of the information… and there are many things far worse in this world that we are exposed to in the air we breathe, the water we drink and the food we eat than what we get in vaccines… and as some people have suggested here, our immune systems do not protect us from the chemical onslaught…

    @Kari – I feel for your situation and wouldn’t wish that on anyone… and I’m sorry that your child has to suffer like that… and you have a right to be angry… and I wish there was a way of predicting which people would react poorly to vaccines – but there isn’t – and is anything in medicine perfect? no… is anything in life without risk? no… I have several friends who have lost their young children due to various events (car accidents, freak accidents, etc.). I’ve also watched several children take their last breath… and die from things that can be prevented by vaccines – but I’ve also seen medicine save the lives of many… I wish we could make everything we do in life completely safe for everyone… but unfortunately, that is not reality… and unfortunately, people in your situation get little help from the healthcare system… our system is broken in many ways… the fact is that these things happen to someone’s child, whether they are hurt or die in an accident, from a disease (people are permanently disabled from vaccine-preventable diseases) or from a vaccine… I’ve had three people in my family die as a direct result of hospital/physician error – all were admitted by the staff/facility as errors – and it made me angry as well, but I can’t change it. I also have several friends who care full-time for their children who are disabled and hear of their day-to-day battles… and as emotional as these issues are, we as a society have to make public health decisions based on available data and what is going to be the best for the most people and save the most people (and again, I believe people should be able to opt in or out)… rather than the “what if” or 1 in 100,000 chance… I wish it wasn’t so, but it isn’t…

    I’m just curious, does anyone here give their children antibiotics or other medications? Antibiotics are closely related to chemotherapy drugs (many have the same/similar mechanisms of action – they are designed to kill cells) and other many other medicines have traces of organic solvents and heavy metals (that are not disclosed on the label because specifications are set during the manufacturing process and are tested in preclinical and clinical studies). In my opinion, antibiotics are far more dangerous than vaccines… I don’t hear the same outcry about antibiotics, but maybe that is because people feel that vaccines are forced on them and antibiotics are more of a choice?

    I would certainly like to see a scientific study that evaluates people who do not get vaccinated and their outcomes compared to those who do get vaccinated – I am not aware of any study that has done this – maybe that is where people should focus their efforts… if you could show that there is no additional risk to not being vaccinated (while taking into account the herd immunity) and look for trends in illnesses in both groups… that would be a very compelling study… and it would certainly go a long way in clarifying the issue.

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    • @ Jennifer: Most of the people who are deciding NOT to let their children (or themselves, for that matter) be vaccinated are also people who have already looked at the “other side” i.e., your side – hence, they are deciding against vaccination. BTW, vaccination is NOT immunization. Not by a long damn shot.

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      • And spreading disease is okay with you? People like you are the reasons outbreaks of deadly childhood illness are making a resurgence.

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        • @ Marie: You are an ignorant fool, and an obvious medical shill. If you’re a fan of vaccines, go for it. You won’t hurt anyone’s feelings. . . . . .

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    • Actually, I perceive a big backlash against antibiotics.

      Whenever I am questioned about refusing vaccinations, I am very polite and I explain that vaccines are really just not effective. There are many instances of people who have been vaccinated and then still contract the disease/condition that they were vaccinated against. Vaccinations do not equal immunization. I further explain that I take the highest care to properly nourish my family’s immune system. We eat lots of veggies, grassfed (hormone and anti-biotic free) meat, cod liver oil, raw milk from our 100% grassfed cow, etc. I use a lot of health-promoting spices and herbs in my cooking such as granulated kelp and turmeric and cumin. We use sea salt for the trace minerals that we need. My children have amazing and robust health. Rarely are they sick and when they do catch a cold or a bug their healthy immune systems overcome it.

      I am not a “fear mongerer” nor am I afraid of vaccines — I just don’t believe that they are the best or safest choice for my family and I am willing to do that which is necessary to promote the health of my family.

      Lastly, death happens to all people at some point whether they are vaccinated or not. There is no vaccination against physical death. Our time on earth is short in light of eternity; y’all, don’t live in fear but know that you can receive a free eternal gift. Check it out: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6:23&version=NLT

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  17. I am astounded that ob’s would push this on pregnant women! I have had to stick to a regular obgyn for my births as they were both a necessary c-section. My ob is very no nonsense and doesn’t get too excited about anything. Very laid-back actually. So, I am very grateful that he never mentioned such a thing to me or suggested I get it. I wish he were less inclined to prescribe antibiotics but he’s a good doc. Very thankful.
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  19. Kari Roberts via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Risk-benefit. We aren’t talking numbers on a paper here people. We are talking about human lives. My children were sacrificed for this “risk-benefit” you so callously speak about. My children were seriously injured by vaccines and will never be the same. I would post a lot more, but I am off to try and feed my older son, the 7 year old that’s wearing clothes that 3 and 4 year olds wear due to his size, who can’t eat most things people never think twice about, and then hope the meds he’s on to help his body actually digest those foods work and he gets the benefits of the well thought out, painfully worked on, and carefully prepared meals I make him so his body and brain don’t continue to starve. Yeah, “risk-benefit”, talk to accountants about that, not parents who are making informed decisions on their child’s life long health care.

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  20. Shauna Engel via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    I haven’t had a vaccine in years…but especially won’t touch any big pharma anything while I am preggo…and I think I have actually felt far better for it.

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  21. Funny you brought up Washington, where we live 30 miles north of Seattle. Just up the highway from us is a giant billboard “There’s a Pertussis epidemic – get your Tdap today!” with a picture of a child. If I had been driving, I would have crashed staring shocked at this ridiculous billboard. Propaganda at its finest.

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  22. natasha, i don’t think it’s all the vaccines. when you find out how the are perverting the food, as well as those chemtrails. please check out, on youtube, “aerosol crimes” & “what in the world are they spraying?”. you can find both as the full movies. very enlightening. they are spraying aluminum particulate as well as weaponised viruses & barium. several different types of mold have also been found in samples. we are living in a nightmare. in the one movie, they make a convincing case against monsanto. very important info for everyone, all over the world, to know.

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  23. i’d also like to point out something about third world countries. our money would be much better spent by seeing to it that every home has running water, toilets & proper waste disposals. it’s a scandal that we allow our government to do what they do in those countries. they have been caught, red handed, sterilizing women in south & central america, through vaccines. sometimes i wonder at the low birth rate in the usa. the generation i was born into, it was commonplace for families to have 9, 8, 10 children. when is the last time you met a family of more than 3, maybe 4 children? is this really because people didn’t want more children? i know many women, once they are in their 30′s, having a very difficult time conceiving. very strange, if you ask me.

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    • Yes, people really don’t want more children. We don’t live on farms or “homesteads” requiring the need to have large families to help with the work. Also, there is the invention of birth control and surgical procedures for sterilization. I’m sure if our ancestors had the medical advances that we have today we would have seen a trend of smaller families as well. Who honestly wants to push 8-10 children out of their body??

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  24. Here’s what the secretly progressive “shot nurse” at Kaiser said to me: “read the package insert from the vaccine, and then decide if you’re willing to take it into your body.” I read it (and it does objectively indicate the risks & classifications) and thoughtfully declined due to my horror at what was listed. Recently, I was offered a Dtap for my daughter at the ER and I said, “Sure — just find me one that doesn’t have Thermasol (mercury) in it and wasn’t manufactured using aborted fetal cells because that’s against my religion.” I got a blank stare and I said, “You can call me at home when you find it and we’ll come back.” Oh, okay… still haven’t got that call. Besides, I love my herd and my herd loves me. I’m happy with that ;)

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    • Glad you were able to say that to the Kaiser personnel, Carmen. This is the type of blowback they should begin to face……then they won’t be so surprised the next time someone refuses. AND, they might start to question something themselves because despite being in the medical field and seeing the results of these shots, they continue to either be in denial or actively part of the insidious poisoning that’s going on.

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  25. Stephanie Pruett Amuso via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    I’ve never heard of receiving that vaccine while pregnant? And I’m on my 3rd baby!

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  26. Also the illnesses were 90% eradicated before vaccines made their stamp. I would love to live in a vaccine free world. We’d thrive on real food, and receive life long immunity to any illnesses we got. Not to mention this would allow us to pass our immunities onto our kids.

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  27. oh yes, one other thing…jennifer, would you feed a newborn a tuna salad sandwich??? do you really think it’s appropriate to bypass 80% of the immune system, inject toxic chemicals into an infant, and force his/her immune system into an unnatural response? repeatedly?? is it any wonder we have an epidemic of chronic, autoimmune disorders?

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    • Maybe Jennifer and those who share her opinions believe autoimmune disorders are in our heads? Maybe they believe it is just our state of mind? My health care people take it seriously every time I get pregnant because my platelet count is so low…an autoimmune response. Funny, I came down with this disorder after being forced to take a series of vaccinations at Boot Camp.

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  28. Claudia Marquez via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Jessie the thing is she can’t. She has only provided you and me with Pharmaceutical paid information.

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  29. having fully vaccinated all of my children, that decision is the biggest regret of my life. two of my children are vaccine injured. if i had it to do over, knowing what i know today, my children would not have any, none, zero, vaccines. i have come to understand how we have been lied to, misled, bamboozled. we owe what good health we could enjoy to the plumbers of this country. indoor plumbing, advances in technology & medical treatment & education about nutrition, is the reason we have seen any good health in this country…in spite of the vaccines, not because of them. the usa is experiencing epidemic levels of chronic autoimmune disorders. i was born before 1960. as a child, i received 3 vaccines. the first when i was 2 y/o. smallpox, polio & tetanus. that’s it. i allowed my employer to talk me into taking the hepb when i was 32. i have been an invalid since. within 2 years, i was totally disabled. no-one can ever tell me vaccines are good. all of my children have autoimmune problems. i will regret listening to their pediatricians, for the rest of my life. i now consider vaccination an assault & i believe anyone who administers a vaccine (especially to a newborn) ought be arrested & charged with assualt with a deadly weapon.

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  30. Claudia Marquez via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Curiously you make many of the talking points that get us no where Jennifer. There is mercury in tuna, are you serious? You have no clue as to how the gut works if you have bought into that one. Please tell me how these trace amounts of formaldehyde, aluminum, recombinant DNA react in the human body especially a tiny child. Can you also please tell us of the percentage of children that have gotten the illness from which they have been vaccinated from? Please tell me how illnesses mutate. Vaccines are an illusion and being reflexively obedient about them and sharing with all the talking points we have all heard many times does not make a case stronger. Do you ignore children that have been injured, they are not injured in your minds? I just really wonder because I have two that been, and 2 of them got the very same illness that they were supposedly immunized from.

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  31. Jessie TreeNickle via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Jennifer prove without a reason of Dought that vaccines are responsible for the culling of disease. In order to be properly informed the reporting system needs to become manditory. Court protection needs to be removed. Doctors need to become properly educated on when and how to make the dx of a vaccine ae. Mandates need to be removed. The medical industry needs to acknowledge any and all vaccine injuries. The gov’t needs to completely back off and the choice completely left up to the parents. If these are the man made miracles as they are sold then the vaccine industry should thrive because people will make the choice to use them.

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  32. my FIL is a pediatrician and he and my ob and my state health dept said could NOT get the dtap vaccine during pregnancy when i was stabbed through my finger with a rusty fish hook by my son :/ fun times let me tell ya! kinda weird other people are telling people TO do it…

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  33. I guess I have just done a good job of avoiding doctors, even though I saw an OB for my first pregnancy in 2009. I was offered the flu shot ( swine flu insanity) and declined, but was not pressured to get any after my daughter was born. Probably the fact that I have passed out after shots since I was a teenager and only consent to anything involving needles if it is absolutely necessary. I somehow made it to the hospital so late in my hospital birth that I managed to avoid even a heplock because the baby was crowning.

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  34. Jennifer Brooks via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    And before vaccines, thousands of children died every year, so does that mean we don’t vaccinate? Vaccines are about risk-benefit – most of the time there is a benefit and they are not without risk – but we wouldn’t give them if there was no benefit… Outbreaks of whooping cough are associated with low herd immunity… not with vaccine failure (vaccines typically have about a 95% success rate). I’m glad your children are healthy without vaccines – and I hope they stay that way… but the children of many people wouldn’t even be here if it weren’t for vaccines… and diseases that may not make your children sick when they get them, may kill someone else’s… Don’t get me wrong, I’ve actually advocated for not forcing people to get vaccinated – because people should have the right to choose… but they need to be properly informed.

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    • I asked my doctor here in New Zealand how he felt about vaccination. He hasn’t vaccinated his own children and respects my decision to not vaccinate mine, however he also acknowledges that the processed food fed to many children these days means they’re under nourished and have weakend immune systems, therefore unless a child is fed a Nourishing Traditions diet he recommends vaccines.

      I have read many books on immunisations and will give my child tetanus should he ever require it and am in the process of considering polio for once he is over 5 years of age. Other than that, zilch.

      We all have our different opinions but I think it’s important that people such as Sarah make us aware of such issues. I think it’s great that she gets people questioning the system and not accepting the status quo ‘just because’.

      I just attended a fermentation course today where the instructors young child has whooping cough and has had it for three weeks. It sounds nasty and I certainly don’t want my littlle one to get it, however if he does I know he’s well nourished and will handle it as well as can be expected. Whilst it’ll be horrible to watch him go through it, and all other illnesses, it’ll be nice to come out the other side and have natural immunity.

      Each to their own. Researching from as many different sources is the best way to go, in my humble opinion.

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  35. Jessie TreeNickle via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Steve have you ever talked to a parent who has lost a child to vaccines? GOD did not set a bush on fire and say thou shall vaccinate. Man made this.

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  36. Yesterday a dermatologist looking at my 10-year-old’s armpit, which has been rashed out for over a year (despite our dietary changes, allergy and fungal testing, GAPS), recommended a cream that is not a steroid, so would not have steroidal side effects, and according to her was completely safe. She asked if there was a history of skin cancer or melanoma in our family. She was then obviously required to give me a black box warning put out by the FDA that this cream was known to cause serious cancer in lab mice and humans, but again reassured me it would be safe for my child. Excuse me? I left there without filling the prescription. I am still baffled by the ignorance.

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  37. Jessie TreeNickle via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    3rd world figures are a lot less scary when you realize they don’t have clean food, water, proper housing etc… Besides DTaP Tdap td are all known to kill some people too. Jennifer is this a part of that polite pledge?

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    • 3rd world countries figures are a lot less scary? Hahahaaaaa! Move to one then, by all means. I am sure there are many sick and dying that would love to trade places with you so they can get some medicine. Let’s bring back all the polio and diphtheria sufferers from the past too, I am sure they’d love a second chance.

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      • Oh, polio is experiencing a resurgence in 3rd world countries, do you even read the news? They get the live polio vaccine which spreads the illness as people shed it from their systems, i.e., feces which then spreads the disease through the water supply.

        Here’s a quote from today’s paper since you don’t seem to read much:

        “While some parents around the country have taken a stand against childhood vaccines, the outbreak is not being driven by unvaccinated children, according to the CDC. Most of the illnesses are in vaccinated youngsters, officials said.”

        http://seattletimes.com/html/health/2019138316_apusmedwhoopingcoughvaccine.html

        Good luck getting your shots and then getting the illnesses anyway!

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  38. Seriously….why post things that cause such hatred toward doctors, vaccines, and this SYSTEM we have. I am very THANK FULL for vaccines and dr’s who are available to offer such world class medical care. While you need to educate yourself, and try to make wise medical decisions I feel it is wrong not to take advantage of the medical technology god has granted and blessed us with. Ask anyone about polio…or losing someone to the flu….we young people don’t remember these because of vaccines and modern medicine…just say’in.

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  39. That’s just it @Jennifer, the vaccines are NOT preventing the diseases (hence so many outbreaks of children with whooping cough despite being up on their vaccines) and in fact are not only infecting people with several diseases but are deteriorating their immune systems to the point that these children are getting deathly ill from things like simple colds because their bodies no longer no how to fight any sort of virus properly. I have one (going on 2 any day) child, neither of which are, or will be, vaccinated with most of the more common vaccines and I consistently get compliments on how incredibly healthy they are and how well they are taken care of. Let me just tell you, it’s because of their lack of vaccines, primarily.

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    • Actually, it is the people who DON’T get their kids vaccinated that are responsible for the outbreaks…. If people stop vaccinating, the diseases make a comeback. So thanks to the ignorant folk for putting not only their own kids at risk, but everyone else’s too.

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      • I agree. While I am currently researching and trying to decide about getting the Tdap vaccine while pregnant or after my baby is born, I think on the whole vaccines are a vast improvement over life long ago. Has none of you talked to your grandparents or great-grandparents about the prevalence and horror of the diseases we now take for granted as being gone due to vaccines?

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        • I know this in an old thread but I think people today are being lied to. I will be 60 yrs. old this year and without the MMR, hep B, HIB, chickpox vaccine, and flu vaccines we survived and thrived in our childhood. We did have the DPT and polio vaccines that were easily opted out of then. My grandmother lived to be almost 100 yrs. old and had NO degenerative disease of any kind according to the medical report when she died. She was never vaccinated and neither were her 15 brothers and sisters who all made it through childhood and lived into their later years. Of course there were diseases that killed people but many of them that we vaccinate for were on the decline or practically eradicated before vaccination programs were started. Nutrition, sanitation, elimination of poverty, and many other factors contributed to the diseases disappearing. When I was young we all had chickenpox, measles, and rubella. It wasn’t fun but I don’t know of one person in my school, family, or neighborhood that had a lasting problem from those diseases. Pregnant mothers had a reason to be careful but the rest of us just got over it in a week. People were not dropping in the street right and left. There are some serious fear tactics being used on parents today.

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      • Your statement is illogical and ridiculous! If the vaccine was effective, then those non-vaccinated children would pose no threat to the children that are as they would be “immune” to the virus. However, considering that over 80% of the children with whooping cough in Washington are vaccinated, your statement is simply irrational nonsense. It also proves the inefficacy of some vaccines. I dont think you understand how vaccinations work.

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        • Actually, the concern is that unvaccinated children will spread these diseases to to those who are immunocomprimised (like those who are going through chemo, very young infants, etc.) Those people have no defense against disease.

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    • Isn’t it funny then, how we all managed to grow up just fine with the vaccines we received as children? No autism, and geez, no measles, mumps, rubella, or polio. Or does that not count as evidence, were we all just lucky?

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  40. Jennifer Brooks via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    How about looking at the actual labeling for a vaccine to see what is in it: https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?image_type=product_pdf&pi=400-10
    The vaccine contains aluminum phosphate (found in baking powder and many baked goods) and 2-phenoxyethanol (found in many perfumes, cosmetics and sunscreens). Here is an informative article on formaldehyde in vaccines (there is a very small amount of residual formaldehyde in many vaccines): http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2009/05/toxin-gambit-part-1-formaldehyde.html. Glutaraldehyde is used to inactivate the viruses (to kill the viruses) – it is in amounts of less than 1/10,000th of a gram. The first rule of toxicology is everything is toxic, it is just a matter of the dose – people can die from water poisoning (drinking too much water) – should we stop drinking it?

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  41. So I had in in a big red box on the top of my chart that I’m allergic to dtap vaccine, and I still had at least one person at every appointment and every day in the hopsital try to give me the vaccine. I said no thank you, and they were like “but pertussis!!!!” at which point I reminded them that my chart says clearly that I’m allergic. That stopped them, but I even had one doctor say “does that mean you’ll never have a tetanus shot?!?” as if it were the end of the world. I even asked my husband to be careful not to let them accidentally give it to me while I was asleep or out of it. (Long hospital stays due to pre-e) Seriously, if being allergic to it won’t keep you safe from that, I don’t know what will.

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  42. Jennifer Brooks via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    If you want to take the risk of your child dying than go for it…but you will have to live with the fact that you could have prevented that death. Many people die from vaccine-preventable diseases. We are seeing more and more people with these diseases and their debilitating and even fatal outcomes. You are certainly entitled to your opinions, all I am asking is that you present both sides of the argument so people can make an informed choice. I would suggest that you read up on how the pregnancy classes are actually determined – the classifications are made based on data generated with the specific drug/vaccine (you are incorrect – it is not determined by the ingredients in this case). People need to think about what they are reading. You get more mercury eating tuna fish than you do from a vaccine. The amount of formaldehyde or other preservatives is far less than what people are exposed to in daily life… things need to be evaluated in terms of their actual risk. The amount of chemicals in these vaccines is minuscule compared to what people are exposed to through other means. “The worldwide incidence of whooping cough (pertussis) has been estimated at 48.5 million cases and nearly 295,000 deaths per year. In low-income countries, the case-fatality rate among infants may be as high as 4%.” (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD003257.pub4/abstract;jsessionid=6C24616AD140D7476B5197BF3B2CC76D.d02t04?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+disrupted+on+7+July+from+10%3A00-12%3A00+BST+%2805%3A00-07%3A00+EDT%29+for+essential+maintenance)

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    • It’s true that we are exposed to many nasty things through food and our environment. However, these foreign things pass through our primary immune system as they enter through the mouth, skin, or nose. Unlike the toxins in vaccines, which are injected directly into the bloodstream, and completely bypass our primary immune system. Big difference!

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      • Wheredotheyallcomefrom? December 18, 2012 at 11:35 pm

        FYI: Vaccines are not given into the blood stream; they are given into muscle tissue… What is a primary immune system? I don’t know if you have any immunology experience but your skin, mouth and nose is a physical barrier which means little when it comes to responses to “toxins.” As a matter of fact those “primary immune systems” you speak of are responsible for “soaking up toxins” and are the most vulnerable, weakest systems we have. You absorb more toxins from your carpet, painted house, inside of your car through your skin, nose, mouth and respiratory system than you would imagine! Most toxins are processed by the liver, broken down into different, more manageable substances and excreted in the stool, or the kidneys filter them out. There is an immune response to a vaccine which is humoral – meaning the REAL immune system (lymphocytes of all classes, B cells, T cells, cytokines, etc. ) create an antibody which recognizes the virus/bacteria as an invader and creates an arsenal to destroy it through several different modalities as determined by the body. Not all people get a great response to vaccines and it takes several attempts for them to create the antibody to the specific “invader” you were inoculated with. So, why are people who have gotten inoculated getting sick and why is pertussis going crazy? Just like viruses such as HIV and bacteria like tuberculosis they are smart… yes, they learn. They learn how to fight of their enemies like antibiotics, retro-viral therapy, vaccines – their system is actually thousands times more efficient than ours (now that is scary). So, pertussis is changing, evolving and becoming more dangerous because it is learning, just like the superbug tuberculosis. I see many people talk about the “toxins” in vaccines but have neglected to talk about the toxins from their computer screen, carpet, car seats, food, drink, water, air, etc. Vaccines have changed very little since Jonas Salk; however, our environmental toxins have gone skyward. I believe I have a informed, educated perspective on vaccines, immunology, and toxicology. I have vaccinated myself and all 4 of my children successfully and will continue to do so to protect them from the super bugs that are being created… I would rather do something to protect them than nothing…

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      • My son GOT pertussis from the live virus in the 1974 DPT shot. I know it’s been changed since then (DTaP). He was so sick he almost died and has had neurological problems ever since. I would be extremely careful, err on the side of caution, it’s your child’s life and well-being.

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    • Jennifer Brooks. You are ridiculous. Every single condescending memorize regurgitate line u have had the gall to post is utterly false and dangerous. Let me guess, all A’ s in nursing school.

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  43. Nicki Morin Black via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Keria.. I’m so sorry, and I empathize. As an adult in my early 20′s, I was forced to get vax’d for hepatitis when I was working as a dental assistant. Prior, I had excellent health, mentally and physically. From the vax onward to the present (I’m in my 40′s now), my health has deteriorated.

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  44. Thank God, I said “NO” to both doctors – my ObGyn and a Pediatrician – during my recent pregnancy . And They WERE pushy!
    (I live in MA)

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  45. I have to agree here. I am one of those people who, while I was in the military and forced to get many shots, developed epilepsy after the fact. Now I no longer have my lifelong, dream career and I will be fighting this mess when it comes to my health for the rest of my life. Just because the FDA approves it, doesn’t mean anything these days.

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  46. I have to agree here. I am one of those people who, while I was in the military and forced to get many shots, developed epilepsy after the fact. Now I no longer have my lifelong, dream career and I will be fighting this mess when it comes to my health for the rest of my life. Just because the FDA approves it, doesn’t mean anything these days.

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    • Keria, I am so sorry that you were forced to take the toxic vaccines; it is reprehensible that you were serving our country and they failed to serve/protect you…I have heard of some success with detoxing the heavy metals involved and I believe you might try it and see if it could help you. A great website for herbs… http://www.bulkherbstore.com and they seem so knowledgeable and helpful! God bless you in your search/journey!

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  47. Recommending flu and Tdap vaccines to pregnant women is just baffling to me, especially considering the exhaustive list of foods and substances one is supposed to avoid while pregnant.

    Also, if the shingles vaccine is publicly acknowledged to be only 50% effective (I read that statistic on what I considered to be a neutral to pro-vaccine website), why aren’t efficacy rates available for all vaccines?

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  48. WOW!! When I was pregnant (which was only 5 years ago) my doctor didn’t even mention the DTap. This must be recent. When I was pregnant I got the list of what NOT to take and what NOT to do. Now doctors are trying to give pregnant moms vaccinations that can harm the child? No way!!!

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  49. @Jennifer these ingredients are why it is listed as Class C. If it were safe and nontoxic it would be Class B or Class A. On top of it all, it Dtap doesn’t even work so the risks are being taken for nothing. Do you really trust the “no adverse reactions” database? Just because a Mom doesn’t come down with a fever after the shot doesn’t mean her baby wasn’t seriously harmed and will be born with defects or problems that manifest YEARS later.

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  50. I caution all pregnant women to look up the class and additional pharmacology of ANY drug they are being recommended. It has become very common for doctors to give drugs the go ahead in pregnant women simply because “everyone else is doing it.” You must be the ultimate guardian of your baby! Listen to your doctor’s advice, but remember that God gave you a baby AND the intellect to protect it after doing your own research. Your doctor should be respectful of your carefully considered, well-researched, decision.

    When I was pre-eclamptic and on the high risk OB unit I was offered an Ambien to help me sleep!!!! When I looked at the nurse like she was nuts, she explained that all patients on that floor had a standing order for Ambien. That made me very upset. I asked her if she understood that Ambien modulates the neurotransmitter GABA. She looked at me strangely. Then I asked her if she understood that a developing baby’s brain needed particular levels of neurotransmitters at particular times to correctly play its part in fetal brain/body development. She looked at me like I was crazy. At that point, I told my husband that if I got really bad he was to refuse everything except emergency meds necessary to preserve the life of mom and baby in a pre-eclampsia or HELLP situation and/or stop pre-term labor. I told him he was to call my mom and step-mom and have them (they are nurses) make decisions regarding necessary vs. unnecessary drugs.

    I also had a killer headache from the pre-eclampsia during the three days I spent in that unit, and they kept trying to get me to take Tylenol. They treated me as though I had a mental illness because I kept refusing the Tylenol. I actually had a resident come in and tell me that “Tylenol is one of the safest drugs we have–it is practically Vitamin C.” I literally shouted “Whaaaattttt?!?!?,” and asked if she had been reading what the journals were saying about Tylenol. She told me it was the year 2009 and that I didn’t have to suffer. I explained to her that a few days/weeks/months of horrible headache were nothing compared to the guilt I would have if my baby suffered any illness/injury at any point in her life that could be Tylenol related. Now that all of the recent news about Tylenol has come out I hope that that resident has adjusted her advice to pregnant women. Tylenol is not like Vitamin C!

    After three days, and the determination that I could keep my blood pressure at the low end of high by lying on my left side, I got my OB to agree to let me go home on my own recognizance and be on strict left-sided bedrest. I laid on my left side for 10 weeks, and kept my baby inside until 38 and 4/7 weeks when my blood pressure finally got the best of me. I, of course, did not take a single Tylenol the whole time! A safe dose of magnesium helped my headache nicely and on days when it did get unbearable, despite the magnesium, I used a quarter to a half cup per day of black, organic coffee, in quarter cup doses. I took my blood pressure and heart rate before and after the coffee. The small amounts of coffee did not affect my blood pressure or heart rate adversely, but they did help the headache.

    Moral of the story = do your own research, and remember that YOU are the final stop-gap between your baby and forces that could potentially harm it. The baby is YOURS and the decisions are YOURS! You have to live with the decisions, so do not be bullied into them. Try to find a doctor with the same mindset as yours, or at least one who will respect your mindset and work collaboratively with you.

    ***Disclaimer: This post is for educational purposes only. This post is an anecdote from my personal experience meant to be educational. It does not constitute medical advice or substitute for your seeking the help of a qualified medical professional and establishing a doctor-patient relationship. Discuss the details of your particular case with your doctor prior to using any of the treatment modalities I discussed.
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    • Thank you so much, Nicole, for your very wise post! I found it very strange that in US so many people rely 100% on doctors’ opinions. With the Internet it’s so easy to do some research to at least start thinking that some doctors DO make mistakes or just do not care. I am originally from Russia and because our medical system is much worse than here, I learned not to trust anyone’s opinion. I always look for 3′rd, 4th or 10th opinion if I suspect that something is wrong. During my very recent pregnancy I said “No” to my ObGyn and a pediatrician. Both of them told me it’s VERY safe!

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  51. Jennifer Brooks via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Class C means that the benefit outweighs the risk, but no studies in humans have been done to evaluate it. It does not mean that there has been any evidence to show that it is dangerous. There are many babies dying from pertussis (one recently publicized case was caught from the mother who had not gotten the Tdap until she was already infected with pertussis and her baby ended up contracting it and dying) – but I don’t see that mentioned anywhere in this discussion. How about focusing on things that pregnant women are exposed to that have no benefit (e.g., formaldehyde, benzene, toluene, styrene in furniture, carpeting and many other common things brought into homes, not to mention cigarette smoke).
    There are pregnancy registries for these vaccines and no issues have been reported. I certainly have no problem with skepticism when appropriate, but presenting an alarmist, one-sided view of an issue that causes panic and puts people and babies in danger without properly weighing both the risks and benefit is just irresponsible.

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    • I'm no doctor, but neither are you July 6, 2012 at 2:09 pm

      Oh my god. Thank you Jennifer for being the lone person to use any reason in this thread.

      There is no vast conspiracy by drug companies and doctors to make people sick for profit. Generally Doctors are intelligent, well educated human beings with good intentions…just like you and me. Use them like consultants. Use your own judgement about their recommendations, but don’t for a moment think that YOU are the medical expert. This nonsense about vaccines causing more than good in most cases is absurd.

      My DX for this anti-vaccinators is too much anxiety. My RX is for them to find a way to reduce the anxiety and not project it into the lives of helpless children.

      Now I’m going to have a nice glass of hemp milk and some gluten free carob chip cookies until my root chakra makes rude noises.

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      • No vast conspiracy? We have the sickest population we’ve ever had in history (cancers in CHILDREN now!), autism in 1 in 50 boys……sure, it’s all coincidental especially when we should be the HEALTHIEST at this point, with all the state of the art medical technology. Something’s wrong with this picture…..and some of us are digging deeper.

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        • Vaccines have been around for a lot longer than autism and cancer have been on the rise. And when will the autism – vaccine connection disappear already? It has been proven FALSE, in fact the guy who did the study had to retract it and admitted it was false. And look all the illnesses we don’t have because of vaccines – illnesses that would kill half your family. Don’t believe the hype, and don’t put other kids at risk, including your own by not getting vaccinated because of some theoretical conspiracy by the pharmaceutical companies. Educate yourself and use some common sense.

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        • I agree, you do have all that bad stuff but you can’t ignorantly blame it on vaccines! It’s connected to alot of other environmental factors and especially the food you eat, look into that!

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      • Well, if you are really interested in the truth, look up and watch a movie called, “The Greater Good.” It is eye-opening. If you don’t think that all these vaccines are about the money, I really think you don’t want to see the truth. FOLLOW THE MONEY. I did not want to believe it myself, but it just kept showing itself until I couldn’t deny it. Healthcare worker for 29 years…

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        • I agree with you both Helen T & Watchmom3. Just a few years ago, they didn’t even want pregnant women taking vaccines while pregnant. They are singing a totally different tune now. All the way to the bank….

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          • Joyce,

            dTap is the ONLY vax that is routinely recommended for pregnant women, so your statement, while correct, is more of a fear mongering one, that really factual in showing the actuality of what you are claiming.

            Moreover, Jennifer did a lovely job explaining cat C, which clearly, the general public doesnt understand LOL.

            Another thing to consider is that many drugs that are recommended, even at cat C, Nicole, are because they are more cost effective and have the same active ingredients as cat B drugs. Rhinecort and its peers come to mind – Rhinecort is not covered by insurance plans, so dr use a generic. Because Rhinecort if the only drug to have paid for the studies, it has a cat B and the generics – SAME ACTIVE INGREDIENT – have a cat C. Simply because they havent been studied.

  52. i got it when i was 10 weeks preggo and had a wonderful natural birth experience to a beautiful 8 lb 11 oz healthy baby girl! I live in Seattle, and since WA is currently having a whooping cough epidemic I didn’t want to take any chances. I think everyone needs to study up, pray, and decide what is best for their family.

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      • We are in the Seattle area too and I worry that parents will have a false sense of security if they get fully vaxed and cocoon their child. If Seattle follows the CA epidemic from a few years ago, then 81% of the kids who come down with it will be fully vaxed. Either way, avoid crowded areas.

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        • My son is an overall very healthy 2 year old and has had pertussis twice. He NEVER had a cough, cold, or runny nose but had pertussis twice. He has 4 of the 5 vaccinations and after antibody titre testing has been deemed a “non-responder” to the pertussis vaccine. The doctors scratch their heads and can tell me nothing. I am 30 weeks pregnant with my second and terrified that my newborn is going to get this very scary disease. We were lucky that our son caught it when he was a little older (the second time, at 21 months, was MUCH worse than the first at 15 months). AND all immediate family members have been vaccinated. Pertussis is a very SCARY disease for infants! I wish there was more information out there about it. Until then, we will be captors in our own home for many months after baby #2 is born hoping and praying that our new little baby does not catch this.

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  53. I am sickened by the blatant greed of these companies who are now unafraid of legal action if their drug causes any horrendous adverse effects! I have just finished signing a declination for the Tdap and was amazed that they are pushing them so hard onto healthcare workers who for the most part, do not question… When it finally dawned on me that we are living in a “BUYER BEWARE” society, I began to question.. and dig…and FIND things that just are hard to wrap my mind around..If I hadn’t SEEN some of the drug damage, I wouldn’t have believed it… warn your friends to question and test everything.. I pray that God gives Americans a healthy dose of skepticism, so they can protect their families…

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  54. Candace Spain-Smith via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 10:51 am

    I didn’t even know about the dTap until after my daughter was born (my midwife never mentioned it) and her pedi was pushing my husband and I to get it. We didn’t and have since switched doctors.

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  55. Alysha Putnam via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 10:41 am

    My midwife has been trying to push this on me for the last 2 months. And I’m only 20 weeks this week. I keep declining it. And then they say, oh well, when you give birth you can have it after. Lol I still say no and I will keep saying no.

    lol, like drugs, JUST SAY NO! :)

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    • I get not wanting to get it while pregnant but you should get it after the baby is born. Pertussis kills infants, and you getting the booster will only protect your child more, not harm him or her.

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        • This is a pretty old thread, but just in case someone else stumbles upon it while researching this vaccine in pregnancy…

          She wasn’t saying it’st he same as drugs… she was using the phrase so associated with drugs that’s why said, “like drugs…”

          We’re not getting while pregnant, have considered after. Although… I’m told this vaccine sheds heavily and can be passed through breast milk. SO you’re essentially doing the same thing as you would have if you’d gotten it while pregnant.

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      • In my case, I got the pertussis booster after giving birth in the hospital so they would let me leave. They were hounding me. I knew it was not going in my baby, so I said yes. I will and would never advocate it, especially, if you are nursing. My third child, is the only one that developed severe ezcema and has severe food allergies. My first two, nothing even remotely close to anything he has experienced. I firmly believe it was not a coincidence and the booster I got in the arm, that hurt for a week, has played a major role. So, no I don’t think the risk is worth what my sweet babe had to live through and still has to each day!

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  56. Nicki Morin Black via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Because it is ingrained in us, from “the system”, to trust, never question, nor do any real research about our own health (and other paramount topics). He who holds knowledge of fact AND a voice, lives and has freedom.

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  57. Kristina Brooke Daniele via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Wow. My doctor did not recommend this at all. I didn’t realize that doctors did…Wow.

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  58. Lindsay Graves via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Good thing I have a midwife! I haven’t even heard about this. I assume if I was going to a regular doctor I would’ve been given this about two weeks ago

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  59. Daniela Bara Bota via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 10:17 am

    I want to read the book “What your Dr wont tell you about Premenopause” would the public library have it ???

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  60. Gretchen Sailer Hulett via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 10:00 am

    there is so much more our Dr’s are not telling us so that the drug companies stay in business. I just finished reading “What your Dr wont tell you about Premenopause” its astounding.

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  61. Noelle Kelly via Facebook July 6, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Cause companies are just pushing them at the doctors. There is heinous ignorance in the medical field it is unreal.

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    • How I wish it were ignorance…that seems somehow a little more forgiveable..but this is premeditated. Seen the headlines about Glaxo Kline and Dr. Drew? He can’t claim ignorance… even tho it seems so STUPID to hurt people for money! I just can’t express how angry it makes me…

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