The Herd Immunity Myth and How it Pits Parent Against Parent

by Sarah TheHealthyHomeEconomist February 24, 2013

The latest attempt by the media and conventional health authorities to keep vaccination rates high is by pitting parent against parent using the concept of “herd immunity”.

Herd immunity is based upon the idea that 95% of the population must be vaccinated for a particular illness in order to prevent epidemics.  Some are even arguing that 100% vaccination is necessary for a protective effect.

With vaccination rates continuing to fall each and every year as more parents delay or forgo shots entirely for their children, authorities are blaming unvaccinated children for putting the population at large at risk or worse, for outbreaks themselves.

This relentless blame game being played out in the media and at doctor’s offices has caused some parents of vaccinated children to fear and look down on unvaccinated children as potential harbingers of disaster for society and even lash out in rage at parents who choose not to vaccinate.

Note the following comment posted yesterday on The Healthy Home Economist Facebook page by one such parent who views unvaccinated children as almost in the same league as rabid dogs:

“If you do not vaccinate, please home school. I do not want your child to make a pregnant woman lose her pregnancy , or kill an immunocompromised child. Your freedom ends at the tip of my nose. Vaccines work on a POPULATION basis, not an individual basis. Its a public health issue, not an individual health issue. You can drink til your liver is pickled, but stay off the roads we drive. What if polio and smallpox were still around, would you risk your child? People really do die from these diseases, the writers’ above have not seen their children get these childhood illnesses because the majority of our kids have been vaccinated, not because they are lucky or because their parents choose better food.”

Most alarming about an irrational comment like this is that it is based on completely wrong information – a myth which is being perpetrated and perpetuated for the sole (financial) benefit of the pharmaceutical industry.

What better way to keep Mr. and Mrs. Jones vaccinating Junior than through good old fashioned peer pressure?  The fear that their next door neighbor won’t let Johnny come over and play because Junior isn’t vaxed is a very powerful influence of behavior is it not?

Herd Immunity Never Applied to Vaccine Induced Immunity

The original definition of herd immunity applied to the protective effect that occurred when a population contracted and recovered naturally from infections.  Natural immunity lasts a lifetime whereas vaccine induced immunity does not.

Short term and highly inferior vaccine induced immunity in a highly vaccinated population cannot in any way be compared with natural immunity acquired by the same group of people.

The herd immunity myth as it is applied to vaccine induced immunity took hold decades ago when vaccination proponents argued that vaccines provided lifelong immunity in the same way as natural immunity.

When this was shown not to be true, booster shots were introduced to keep vaccine immunity from “wearing off”.

To the dismay of vaccination authorities, outbreaks still occur in groups of children who have been fully vaccinated and receiving booster shots.  Hence, the convenient blame game and finger pointing that is now occurring with unvaccinated children said to be the “cause” of such outbreaks.

The Logic Which Disproves Vaccine Induced “Herd Immunity”

Dr. Russell Blaylock MD, a retired neurosurgeon, says that if one takes a moment to consider the history of vaccination, the concept of herd immunity as it applies to vaccines unravels quickly.

“When I was in medical school, we were taught that all of the childhood vaccines lasted a lifetime. This thinking existed for over 70 years. It was not until relatively recently that it was discovered that most of these vaccines lost their effectiveness 2 to 10 years after being given. What this means is that at least half the population, that is the baby boomers, have had no vaccine-induced immunity against any of these diseases for which they had been vaccinated very early in life. In essence, at least 50% or more of the population was unprotected for decades.

If we listen to present-day wisdom, we are all at risk of resurgent massive epidemics should the vaccination rate fall below 95%. Yet, we have all lived for at least 30 to 40 years with 50% or less of the population having vaccine protection. That is, herd immunity has not existed in this country for many decades and no resurgent epidemics have occurred.

Vaccine-induced herd immunity is a lie used to frighten doctors, public-health officials, other medical personnel, and the public into accepting vaccinations.”

If you are a parent who chooses to vaccinate, note that the concept of herd immunity as it is erroneously applied to vaccines is being used to manipulate you into using scorn and fear to pressure family and friends within your circle of influence into accepting vaccination against their will.

Is this really the kind of flawed, divisive and highly misguided public health initiative you want to be a part of?

 

Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist

Source:  Forced Vaccinations, Government, and the Public Interest, Dr. Russell Blaylock, December 2009.

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Comments (220)

  1. I am not pro-vaccines but I am in a predicament. My son is 6 and had a partial splenectomy due to a hereditary blood disorder. As most know, a spleen fights infections such as pneumonia. Without a working spleen he can get very sick very quickly and die. My mother in law (also without a spleen) woke up not feeling well, went to hospital that afternoon as she quickly felt worse and worse, and was dead by the next day despite ICU admittance. I hate that my son is immunocompromised and I am so torn about vaccines. If he had a proper spleen i would not vaccinate. I understand the dangers of them. I am scared not to vaccinate against some things such as pneumonia and menangitus. If this were your child what would you do?

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    • People without spleens, literally (after surgery) or functionally (things like sickled red blood cells passing through can cause the tissue to die), are very vulnerable to overwhelming infections due to certain kinds of bacteria – those with outer capsules. Sounds like you know this from your question. I would absolutely vaccinate against those types of bacteria – Strep pneumonia, Haemophilus influenzae and Neisseria meningitidis. Once he gets infected, it can get so overwhelming so fast that western medicine can’t always fight it off even with prompt treatment. Give him every opportunity to not have this problem – good hygiene, good diet, and these specific vaccines. My personal opinion is that the benefits tremendously outweigh the risks in this situation.

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      • Unfortunately vaccines are for viruses, not bacteria. Anti-biotics are for bacteria. IF he is truly immuno-compromised I would take a long hard look at the contra-indications for each vaccine for many of them are NOT for individuals that are immuno-compromised as they are introducing a foreign pathological substance in a alien delivery method to the body. The largest sustained outbreak of polio induced meningitis occurred in the years after polio vaccine was introduced.

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        • Vaccinations are for viruses *and* bacteria. Anti-biotics are not the same as vaccinations. Vaccinations are designed to prevent getting a disease in the first place. Anti-biotics are designed to *treat* a disease you already have. Google it.

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        • Ok. A couple things here. Vaccines are for both viruses and bacteria. A vaccine is a substance that includes a particular pathogen, introduced to the body, so the body can mount an immune response.

          In a particular vaccine, the bacterial and/or viral matter is altered from its original form, so that when introduced to the body, it does not initiate infection. A vaccine includes a fragmented or weakened form of the pathogen. This means that the viral and/or bacterial matter is not strong enough/complete enough to cause infection. It’s kind of like taking the foot (for example only) or piece of a bacterium and putting it in the body. This bacterial foot (part of pathogen, containing as antigen) is not going to elicit infection–it is not functional, not whole/complete. The immune system detects this foreign substance, obliterates it and produces memory cells. This memory provides timely response to future exposures, whereas an immune system that is not on the watch for (surveillance) a particular substance will take much longer to rid the body of infection if ever. In this time period, life-threatening symptomology can occur—this is the point of vaccinations: to protect people from what the pathogen can potentially do to the body.

          Yes, you are right when you say antibiotics are for bacteria only. Antibiotics are used after someone has already acquired the illness. Vaccines are used to prevent pathogens (both bacteria and viruses) from infecting/wreaking havoc on the body; they are typically given before a person has had exposure to the pathogen.

          Viruses have no cure. Once you have had exposure to a virus, it is with you for life (not necessarily a bad thing!). Our bodies can ward of viral infections, some without consequences (ie. influenza infection may present as a week or two with low energy/fever for some individuals, then the body improves and is back to normal, but some people will die from influenza infections). Once exposed, the body’s immune cells have added another not-welcome substance to their surveillance list; therefore, future exposures will be nipped in the butt fast! HOWEVER, depending on the virus, much havoc on the body may be wreaked, requiring medical interventions ie. medications to reduce swelling (this medication is not curing the person of the viral infection, it is helping to alleviate the symptoms of the infection, which can be life threatening). There are antiviral drugs that are used in such situations ie. rape, needlestick, (blood-borne risk exposures). These drugs keep infections such as HIV or HCV from growth and development of their current state and must be implemented soon after exposure (WAY before any symptom occurs). Antivirals are NOT effective for many viruses for this reason. Often, by the time a person is showing symptoms and/or it is determined that there is infection, the infection is prominent—antiviral drugs would not help to decrease the infection, only curb it.

          Ali (BSN)

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    • Hi Sazzifrazz,
      This is a tough subject. Only you can make that decision. Investigate this thoroughly! Find a physician who understands the risks of vaccines. Vaccines stimulate your immune system in unnatural ways and therefore train your immune system inappropriately. You want his immune system to function better overall, not just in specific reference to specific antigens (which he still may not be immune to, despite the vaccine). Get testing done to assess his immune function. Children who do not receive the flu vaccine are immune to a greater number of flu virus strains than children who get the vaccine. The immune systems of the children who receive vaccines seem only able to respond to “what they are told”, rather than learning to respond all kinds of situations. And even then, immune systems that received vaccines don’t always respond properly. There are real risks to vaccines and you need to make an informed decision. Not just a knee jerk “my son’s immune system is compromised so I MUST vaccinate”. To the contrary, think in this way…”my son’s immune system is compromised, I must maximize what is left and be careful how it is trained so he can respond to all different immune system situations”. I wish you success in finding a healthcare partner to walk this journey with you. You can’t give him a vaccine or everything he will be exposed to (though medicine would like to try), so find out what his weakness are and work from there. Best wishes on your journey.

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      • Technically, stimulating your immune system with a vaccine is indeed unnatural, but to say that a vaccine trains your immune system inappropriately is not really fair. Vaccines don’t really “train” your immune system. It’s not like doctors are injecting some sort of personal trainer into your body that motivates your immune system to work better. Vaccines simply introduce a weakened or dead form of a virus or bacteria into the body so that your immune system can respond to it, kill it, and be “primed” so that if your body does come into contact with that same bacteria or virus again, your immune system remembers it and can react to it more effectively. Otherwise, without a vaccination, you could be exposed to much larger quantities of a virus or bacteria and since it’s your body’s first encounter, it won’t be as “prepared” to deal with the invasion, thus making you much sicker.

        Vaccines are not a miracle cure and I do think there is an unfortunate conflict of interest with pharmaceutical companies being for-profit, because the motivation isn’t on responsible use of the product (which it should be), but on pushing its use and adoption so as to keep the business going. Vaccines were originally developed to save lives but now that there’s a big industry built up on it, too many people’s jobs and lives depend keeping the whole thing going even though they aren’t the be all end all solution to keeping disease in check.

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    • I had to have my spleen removed when I was 16 due to an accident. I was told at that time that I ‘needed’ to have a flu shot and all other vaccines brought up to date and to continue to get the boosters for the rest of my life. (Again the fear that I might get sick and die was enforced.) I bought the myth for years until the H1N1 epidemic came out. Then I started questioning what I was told at 16. Your body is designed to compensate if you lose your spleen. Your liver and lymph nodes will take over. So, my question for me was why am I continuing to get the vaccines. Also, every year I would get sick with the flu shot. Some years were worse then others. Two years ago, I quit getting all vaccines. I am aware that my immune system can be weaker, so if I am starting to feel run down I give myself permission to stop. A nap is not going to be a bad thing. Also, if I have to miss an event because I need to rest, that’s not a bad thing either. Vitamins, healthy food, fresh air, sunshine and exercise are all your friend. In the last two years I have been healthier then I was in the previous 20. You will need to decide what is best for you and your family but the choice for me was to stop vaccinating.

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    • This is a decision that only you can make. I think that one important thing to keep in mind tough is that vaccines do not stimulate the immune system in the same way as diseases one is naturally exposed to, and actually have a general immune weakening effect. This is because microbes introduced in a shot completely bypass the TH1 immune system and over stimulate the TH2 immune system. This can and often does lead to autoimmunity, and a generally overburdened immune system. So even if a vaccine does offer temporary protection against the specific disease for which a person is given a shot (and this is debatable), that person’s immune system is compromised in it’s ability to deal with attacks from virtually every other challenge it’s faced with. In addition, many vaccine additives are inherently toxic, and toxic substances directly and indirectly undermine the general ability of the immune system to function. As you weigh the benefits and risks of all your options, this would be a good thing to look into and keep in perspective.

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    • The thing is that vaccines will only further destroy an immune system your child doesn’t have to begin with. I understand your fear, but vaccinating isn’t the answer. Also, 80% of the immune system is in the gut.. Probiotics, Vit. D3, whole foods, and many other things will do him better than a vaccine.

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    • I’m not trying to say you’re wrong because I don’t actually know. Without the ability to fight disease, wouldn’t vaccines be completely ineffective? The body has to be able to form antibodies and antibodies are formed by fighting infection.

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      • This is a very good point. “Without the ability to fight disease, wouldn’t vaccines be completely ineffective?” Antibodies are produced when our bodies are exposed to foreign substances. The person may have a full blown infection that their body is fighting, or it may be via vaccination where the body “fights” (gets rid of) the infectious substance in the vaccine after increasing its pathogenic surveillance. Suppose you fall down and scratch your knee. There is a bit of blood, pain and swelling. Among the various chemical mediators in this area, antibodies are among them, for foreign material from the pavement you fell on has entered the tiny capillaries at your knee. The body initiate an immune response to the foreign antigens (anything that elicits an immune response–you can think of an antigen as a name-tag on a cell that says, “hi, I am [specific substance]; we have antigens on our cells that communicate that we are self-cells.”

        So upon vaccination, the body mounts an immune response. The B cells that are a part of the immune response produce antibodies. If someone is immuno-compromised, a vaccination (due to the weakened/fragmented form of the pathogen) will be safer than exposure to the pathogen when not vaccinated.

        Ali (BSN)

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    • Something that comes to mind is to look into homeopathic alternatives. They have drops formulated to boost immune systems to fight each specific disease. So you can use drops or “homeopathic vaccines” to fight measles etc. I personally haven’t used them yet but a friend of mine has given them to her daughter and the doctor even signed off on her vaccination card that she received all her vaccinations. Her almost 3 year old has yet to get a serious disease. Just an idea.

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    • I would suggest you take a look at Homeopathy for your son’s situation and for all those that do not vaccinate. There is another way to protect against the deadly diseases that conventional medicine vaccinates against. Research Homeoprophylaxsis (also known as homeopathic immunizations). Dr. Isaac Golden has done excellent research into this topic http://www.homstudy.net. Also a new book titled “The Solution: Homeoprophylaxis: The Vaccine Alternative” by Kate Birch and Cilla Whatcott is a parent’s guide to homeopathic immunization, my copy is on it’s way but the reviews are fantastic. Homeoprophylaxis allows you to stregthen your immune system without any of the harmful effects vaccine carry. I would recommend constitutional treatment and homeopathic immunization by a Classical Homeopath for sure! God Bless.

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  2. Is there some way to test how well the spleen he has left is working? This is a tough call. Up until part of the spleen was removed, how well did his immune system fight off things? I think I would wait a while, but in the mean time do everything else possible to make his immune system super strong. Your Mother-in-law I’m sure was much older, and perhaps she had other things going on that you were not aware of. Hmm..being a Mom is the most challenging job in the world.

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    • Hi Kathy I don’t know if there is a test for spleen function I would assume that there is I do know that there are some immune function tests that will determine whether the immune system is skewed towards TH1 or TH2 immune response which should give you an idea of his immune response and function

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  3. As above, people without spleens or with only partial spleens, are at risk of a certain type of bacterial infection. It is not a matter of ‘how well his immune system fought things off before’ since the spleen is essential to fight off these types of bacteria. Without it, the bacteria take over so quickly that there’s often not time to try other treatments – regardless of the patient’s age. These are not things to play around with.

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  4. my prayers to the commenter making the tough call on her child’s spleen condition. I hope for the best for you and your family.

    I had a premature baby (no known reason why), and the people in the hospital talked to me a lot about vaccinations. I told them I wanted to wait. I was undecided, but I knew that either way, a tiny baby didn’t need a vaccine yet, so I said no for the time being. The main nurse talked to me for 15 minutes, saying how no one should ever have listened to Jenny McCarthy, etc etc etc and how herd immunity is compromised and on and on. To be honest, I never got to do the homework I wanted to on vaccines with bringing the baby home, and having to take him to the dr’s right away, nursing non stop, trying to get his weight up, him being on oxygen at home, etc. I did decide to start his vaccinations because of that, relying on information I had heard before and the concept of herd immunity. Since then I have been leaning against vaccinations, but the herd immunity concept still got to me.

    Well, my point is, thanks for this article. I’ve done other research since them, but this is the tipping point, and now there is nothing holding me back from saying no to vaccines. I do have a fear that the pediatrician might question me, so I’ll have to prepare a little speech before the next appointment.

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    • Rebecca C-
      I also vaccinated my babies and later chose to refuse further vaccinations. I praise God for no “known” damage done and just keep making best decisions every day. I write to urge you not to bother with a prepared speech for the doctor explaining why you don’t want to vaccinate. Instead, find a doctor who does not pressure for vaccinations. In our case, this is a Doctor of “Integrated” or “Functional” medicine. The fact is, a short speech will not convince and you don’t want to open the topic for discussion. Don’t discuss it. Simply smile and say, “No thank you. I am happy to sign your waiver saying I understand the risks.” And when the doctor or nurse – or many nurses – attempt to scare you into it, simply smile and say, “No thank you. I am happy to sign your waiver saying I understand the risks.” I would suggest that each time you have to say it doubles your need to find another doctor. The only person who needs to be convinced is you – and you already are.

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      • Rebecca C-
        I agree with Mary. You don’t want to talk about this, so the best speech is the one sentence one she gave you. Evasion is the best tool, I think. Say, “No thanks,” and then change the subject. Good luck!

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        • Yes I definately agree with Mary and Lori! I got myself into a rather hostile scene with a Dr once because I dared to question to the point where the Dr threw me out of his office even though I went about it in a calm and polite manner! It doesn’t matter what you say or how justified in your decision. You will never win. They will most likely attempt to intimidate, scare and make you feel *irresponsible* and a *bad mother* etc. Not for the feint hearted. It’s a industry and it is very BIG business and Dr’s get a kick back or reward for getting their quotas up. So yeah do yourself a favor and avoid the sh#t fight. Their too brainwashed to care.

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    • I also had a preemie, born at 29 weeks, by emergency c-section. They told us he was ready for his Hep B before he even weighed 5 pounds. We said no. Thankfully, no one pressured us. They offered once again before we took him home, and we said no. Again, no pressure. The night before he came home, the nurse was going over a lot of paperwork with me, when she noticed that we refused the vaccine. She leaned in, and said, “Good for you! That vaccine is ridiculous, and I don’t understand why they even do it, especially to day old babies”. This led to a 15 minute conversation about vaccines, and how parents really need to research and take the decision into their own hands, and out of the doctor’s hands.

      Thankfully, the pediatrician we chose is awesome too. Our son is over 2 years old now, and has never had a vaccine. He’s healthy, and has had no issues whatsoever. She has always respected our decision not to vaccinate, and even agreed to see our 5 year old son, who has had no vaccinations since his 2 month shots. Because we don’t do “well baby” visits (just an excuse to get kids in for shots), we rarely see her these days, and have no plans to see her unless we need to. This is the kind of doctor you need to find, Rebecca C. They are out there, and they are wonderful! Remember that a doctor works for YOU, and you have final say. If your doctor gives you crap about your decision, pressures you to change your mind, or belittles your decision in any way, run… don’t walk… OUT of there. Fire that doctor and find a different one. Best of luck!

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      • thanks for the advice. I don’t think my pediatrician will put me through the ringer. I think they will just be surprised by the about face on vaccinations. I’ve gotten to know them a little better than usual having a preemie and having to go into the dr’s office more than typical. I expect they will be ok with my decision, but if they are not I am open to finding a new dr.

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      • Research is very important, yet, as a parent, it is a biased lens through which you interpret the world in relation to your child. The question is: what is your scientific background? Do you have experience in biology, physiology, pathophysiology, pharmacology, pharmacokinetics etc? Do you know how to discern between a credible and non-credible source? Do you know what is reliable, what is not reliable? What is your interpretation of the evidence given your education/expertise in this field? I assume this is an offensive comment, and I apologize for harsh feeling, but these things need to be considered! Education is so important in order to accurately analyze scientific information and make evidence-based decisions and interpretations.

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  5. Please inform the Facebook poster that she should rather be fearful of the newly vaccinated who are walking around and should be in quarantine.

    When the Swine Flu episode was at it’s height a few years back, I actually heard health officials mention it wouldn’t be wise for those just vaccinated to be in the presence of children or the elderly.

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  6. In addition to my MIL my husband’s 9 year old brother also died of pneumonia. This was back in the 70′s when doctors didn’t quite reralize how quickly things could go from bad to serious in hours. He was sent home from school sick. He never woke up the next morning. The doctor who the mom had called had told her to give tylenol to bring down the fever.

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    • Your comment is right on! I recently had to “retire” after 29 yrs in healthcare, because I refused the flu vax and didn’t want to wear a mask for my entire shift, which btw, would have protected ME from my patients, not THEM from me. I made that comment to my top supervisor and she almost had her hair stand on end! All it takes nowadays, is a few brain cells and to look and see who is sick…the vax folks are way sicker. (I have studied this for 29 yrs and I KNOW who gets sick.) I was a little sheeple when I started, but after witnessing some things that did not add up, I began to make mental notes…It is a money game now, and buyer beware is an absolute. RESEARCH for yourself; NEVER trust someone else to do it for you. Stakes are too high.

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    • Unfortunately this argument is typically met with “but what about the elderly, newborns too young to be vaccinated, and the immunocompromised” and is sometimes followed up with “…and vaccines don’t always work, which is why herd immunity is important.” We can immediately toss out the final reason but the others make those who don’t vaccinate seem selfish. I disagree, I think if you have a family member who is vulnerable, it is your job to protect them (staying home, wearing masks, immune boosters, wearing a baby so no one touches them, etc.) but people want “society” to take care of it instead. Still, that is unfortunately how that argument is perceived.
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      • yeah that is my thinking. I’m keeping my little baby home a lot right now while RSV is in full swing, and I wear him when we do go out. I don’t demand other people change their behaviors!

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      • ” newborns too young to be vaccinated”? Jen posted above, that they wanted to vaccinate her 5# preemie! they push shingles and flu shots on the elderly. Who are these phantom people that they feel can’t vaccinate?
        In reality, they push them on these too. That little phrase in the arsenal of the pro-vax crowd has no basis in reality, and is just to make you feel guilty and shut you up.

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        • I live in BC, Canada. The vaccination schedule here does not permit vaccinations of children under 6 months. Maybe, this person’s situation was unique–requiring some sort of vaccination–or their location health authority permits early vacs. Also, this person could be full of ****. Like the chemtrail controversy, people love to stoke the fire with little to no evidence.

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  7. i never could work out why i never got chicken pox, even though i new so many people with it and my dad had shingles, and i never got it, and I wasn’t vaccinated against. now there is a vaccination for it, which I really dont understand why. and I dont really want to give it to my son, but I dont know how Im going to tell them no.

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  8. Jennifer Dolney via Facebook February 25, 2013 at 10:28 am

    I am not debating whether vaxing is right or wrong, but when people argue that parents who vaccinate should not care whether another child is vaxed because they should be (in the parents eyes) protected they forget that not all children can be vaxed (allergies, compromised immune system, etc.) and those are the children that are at risk. Again, not debating the rights and wrongs of vaxing and would never say anyone should vax their child to protect someone elses. I am just reminding people that there are still children out there at risk whose parents may not be against vaxing and probably wish with all their heart that they had a child who could be “protected” by vaxing.

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    • Jennifer, I am going to bust your bubble now…I have seen the MOST IMMUNO-COMPROMISED folks be vaccinated and get deathly ill very quickly, so, there are very FEW indeed who are not being pushed into unsafe situations by vaccines, even tiny little sick babies have been vaccinated. (At least when mine were little, my pedi doc said that we should wait if they were sick, before vaccinating.) That seems to have been thrown aside now. If your child is vaccinated, and you believe that they are protected by that vaccine…no problem. However, if your child is unvaccinated and you are willing to take that risk, should also be no problem. Your immune system gets stronger from illness and well living, not from vaccines. Know who told me that? A scientist that works for the State of Texas…(I also began my search for truth when my Dad died from cancer treatment.) There are many ways to protect children from illness and our society as a whole, is not looking at them. We must do it for ourselves and our children.

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    • If you read this article then you will understand why that argument is false. Since herd immunity is a myth, vaccinating most children does not protect the children who aren’t vaccinated. Those who have a child (or adult) in fragile health need to do what it takes to protect them — not ask others to take steps like vaccination. Stay home, wear a mask, limit visitors, etc. Not to mention there are *many* ways to protect children besides vaccines! I don’t vaccinate but I certainly take steps to protect my children.
      Kate @ Modern Alternative Mama\’s last post: Monday Health & Wellness: Nourishing Postpartum Hormone-Balancing Tea

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  9. Sarah, I love your blog and I’m determined to keep an open mind about vaccines, but I do believe they had something to do with the reduction in serious illnesses. I do think they are one step in creating herd immunity and I wouldn’t want my child to be the carrier who brought death or disability to someone else’s child, no matter how foolish the child’s parent’s nutritional choices had been. I know we live in a public health situation that is full of stupidity, and a national foodscape that is mostly very bad. I do believe vaccines present many dangers and are grossly over-prescibed for infants. But I also think that most of them are not too harmful for older kids, particularly when given separately and with attention to aluminium levels and the child’s general health at the time of the shots. I delayed most shots until after my children were 18 months old and talking, then stopped if I felt the child needed to wait. One of my sons needed a long break while we addressed food allergies and began the GAPS diet – now he’s doing so much better and we’re nearly “caught up” on immunizations around age 3.5.

    As a farmer, I have had a lot of experience with animals that are fragile right after birth or due to some other stress. It doesn’t take much to send them down a path to illness. And as the mother of a GAPS child, I have a new appreciation for the subtleties of immunological health. But for us, delaying vaccines has been our compromise. I was not really worried about my own kids becoming diabled from those diseases. But I am glad to live in a world where those diseases have become rare, and I feel that it’s a good idea when one’s child is not so fragile, to participate in contributing to herd immunity.

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    • mootopian, I live on a farm too and my husband works with an R.N. who knows the cause and the day of both of her grandchildren’s autism. She remembers it well; she watched them draw away from reality into a place that they could not be contacted…the day after their vaccinations. Now, it is ok for everyone to speculate, but when someone lives it, it is time to listen. (She is not the only one that we know personally who has had this outcome.) There is no such thing as herd immunity. If you are willing to really search, you will find this out.

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    • Hi mootopian

      Look into the history of vaccinated diseases and you’ll see that they were in significant decline before the introduction of vaccines. Look into it yourself, you might find yourself reevaluating your opinion about herd immunity.

      Each to their own, but I personally chose, along with my husband, not to vaccinate after spending many months reading as much information (pro and con) about vaccinations as we could. Conversely my sister spoke to her doctor who gave her the herd immunity lecture which she swallowed hook, line and sinker without looking into it herself. She’s tried to make me feel bad about my educated decision which I find annoying, especially since I don’t make snide remarks about her decision/inaction. Oh the joys of parenthood! :)

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    • It should be clarified that those graphs represent a decline in disease MORTALITY not incidence. This mortality decrease is more likely due to the advances in healthcare. The vaccine is to reduce incidence which in turn, also lowers mortality even more.

      Herd mentality protects children/persons unable to be vaccinated or for those who the vaccine did not work for (and please don’t generalize this to “see, sometimes they don’t even work!” because everyone’s system is different. Not all diets work for everyone the same either, that’s not an argument for elimination of all diets/vaccinations).

      Dr. Palevsky is misrepresenting herd mentality. It is not to protect already vaccinated children. It is to protect non-vaccinated children. If someone who has a vaccinated child doesn’t want their child to be with unvaccinated children they’re ignorant. If a child is vaccinated they should be able to play with whoever they want, vaccinated or not.

      It’s when too many people decide not to immunize (or cannot be immunized) and an epidemic happens (such as the small one of measles recently) that not vaccinating capable children becomes a problem. The point of vaccination is to eliminate disease. If unvaccinated children are contracting those diseases, they cannot be eliminated (and therefore future generations must continually be immunized for that disease).

      I agree with mootopian about watching aluminum/mercury levels in the vaccines children are getting. It is not the disease itself that usually renders a child ill or possibly activates autism; it is more than likely the preservatives. A child who becomes autistic post-vaccine was probably already susceptible to its activation…it just happened to be the vaccine that did it. That is why it is important to have a healthy child (healthy with a strong immune system, aka gut flora) before giving any vaccines.

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  10. The thing about vaccinating someone with a weakened immune system is this:
    In order for the body to create the antibodies required, a functioning immune system is needed. If the immune system of a healthy individual is unable to create long term “memory” of the virus or bacteria given through vaccination then what makes anyone think that a poorly working or non working immune system would make any antibodies and “memory” at all?

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  11. Photo luminescence and many oxygen/ozone therapies can kill a flu in less than 8 hours. Feeding your child raw milk will also strengthen his immune system. If people only knew the different toxins being mixed into vaccinations, they would quickly realize that these shots are hazardous to ones health.

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  12. Rosana Costa Stoessel via Facebook February 25, 2013 at 10:48 am

    I was able to just refuse vaxes for my kids. My one Pedi told me to wait until they were 10 to give them chicken pox vax because it didn’t last more than 10yrs to begin with and after the age of 10 that’s when the chicken pox can get really bad for a person. So I waited, researched it etc. I had decided to have my kids vaxed against it when the next morning my son came out with one on his hand–joke was on me now they were actually going to be immune to it.

    Now, after a nephew was diagnosed with autism yes, just after getting the MMR, I have done MORE reasearch than I ever cared to and have decided that vaxing is not a good idea.

    So now I just tell people I’m not vaxing on religious reasons. There are now 23 vaxes made from aborted fetal cell lines. yeah, that ain’t going in my kids. not to mention that the others are grown on monkey livers and introduce a host of other disease into our bodies.

    you can look up what they’re made out of on the CDC website.

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  13. Mandy Thomason Creager via Facebook February 25, 2013 at 11:04 am

    People so often mistake or equate an unvaccinated child as a carrier of all diseases! Parents who vaccinate need to relax and stop treating the unvaccinated as ticking time-bombs for public infection.

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  14. People also seem to think that vunvaccinated children are sickly and unhealthy and ripe for disease…but my children are all very healthy and usually only get sick with croup once every winter (my 2 year old has a stomach bug right now, he and my husband both) and other than that are fine. 3 of my 4 kids have never had a vaccination and have never been to the doctor for sickness, or ever taken a medication (Tylenol included). My 1 child that has had vaccinations (I stopped at 1 year) is the only one to ever have been to a doctor for sickness (ear infection) and to have taken medication (antibotics). That’s proof enough to me that what I’m doing is right…and that we are very blessed with good health.

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  15. In general I’ve enjoyed reading your blog. But when I read your credentials, there is nothing about medicine yet you speak as a professional on this topic of vaccines. Your post contains no caveats like “this is my opinion” and you quote ONE doctor who is in his 70s and probably not all that current on recent research.

    Unfortunately this type of blogging gives blogs a bad name. Just because you’ve read some books and articles and this is what you believe does NOT make you an expert in public health. While I totally respect your right to an opinion, at least make blog posts like this read like that … your opinion, NOT fact or serious reporting.

    I’m sorry if others have made you feel badly about your decision not to vaccinate. That’s no excuse to act like an expert.

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    • Unfortunately, having credentials such as an, “M.D.” behind one’s name does not guarantee that a person’s views are the result of well rounded research and a great degree of critical thought. Too often, mainstream medical professionals are steeped in Pharmaceutical Industry propaganda from the time they walk into medical school, as they are educated by institutions heavily funded by the drug industry; and this trend tends to continue all throughout their careers when they refer primarily to the mainstream medical literature, which is generally tainted by the Drug Industry as well, while dismissing other legitimate resources as not “credible”. If a person is willing to consider various perspectives and resources, can read, and can critically think, they are on their way to being a great deal more qualified to speak with authority on these topics than the average Medical Doctor who passionately regurgitates the biased information he or she learned in medical schools or from mainstream medical journals.

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      • My friend is an MD and she thinks that patients are ruining the health care system because they question doctors and make requests that the doctors then feel obligated to fulfill. Seriously, she said doctors and insurance companies aren’t to blame at all for issues in our health care system, including the rising costs; it’s all the patient’s fault.

        She also thinksthat people need to vaccinate because those who don’t put others at risks and something about how new strains are created because of unvaccinated people! There was no “discussing” with her. I respect her, but I wonder how much she has actually looked at all sides of this. Just because you have an MD doesn’t mean you know everything. What I have learned from my recent conversation with her is that I WILL NEVER share my opinion with her about vaccines. She won’t listen. It’s not worth it. I’d rather have this discussion with someone like Sarah. She might not have a medical degree, but she is well read and really, I think she just wants people to look at these issues and become more educated. You don’t have to believe her. Do your own research and draw your own conclusions as so many others do.

        My doctor friend has drawn her’s. She also a radiologist and thinks that Mammograms are the end all be all. She thinks that thermography is horrible and that MRI and breast ultrasounds are a waste of money and only money grubbing doctors perform them. I’m happy to hear her opinion, but I don’t agree with her even though she is a doctor, and I won’t just do what the doctor says because they are doctors. They don’t know everything. The only thing her MD keeps me from doing is sharing my real feelings with her because I don’t need to be put down or chastised which I know she will do. She has already indirectly done this.

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      • I think it is an issue of lack of education in regard to human biology. Just because you can critically think does not mean you understand the difference between an attenuated, inactivated or a subunit vaccine and how the immune system responds to each of them. It is vital that people have foundational evidence-based education behind them in order to make conclusions in regard to medicine. As a nurse, presentation of health information is often given at a grade 5 level–peoples’ health literacy is a huge barrier.
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    • Sounds like you were able to come to that conclusion on your own without Sarah overtly stating that she is not an MD and this is her opinion based on her own research. I think the majority of blog readers are able to do the same :)

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    • I don’t think you need to preface your own blog with the words “in my opinion”. It’s a blog, and it’s a given that blogs are written by people and are full of opinions.

      the sad truth is an M.D. wouldn’t have a more informed opinion in most cases. The qualifications are: “mother”, “human”, even “self taught”. We don’t need to worship doctors, we have minds too and we can make our own decisions. If I had a cardiac condition or something that needed surgery, yes I’d value my dr’s opinion a lot more. When it comes to nutrition and vaccines and certain other things, they do not even get that much information on those topics and they don’t necessarily know more than a person who takes it upon themselves to learn about them.

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  16. Sarah Berra via Facebook February 25, 2013 at 11:31 am

    How do people find out if you child is vax or not? Doesn’t medical privacy laws protect your medical info? I don’t say anything. Just smile and nod.

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  17. Sarah Bayless via Facebook February 25, 2013 at 11:32 am

    I have personally had issues with this. A new mom in our church group said she would be more comfortable if non vac. Kids didn’t come. That would be my child :(

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    • Interesting, because I am much more comfortable having my children around un-vaxed children! Whenever I take them into a group setting, I wonder what the surrounding children have recently been injected with! Thankfully, my children’s immune systems have not been compromised by vaccines, antibiotics and the like, so they don’t catch all of the junk going around. That whooping cough outbreak going on amongst the vaccinated? Nope, not here! Neither have we had the strep, colds, influenza or stomach flu running rampant this winter! We also don’t have the allergies, asthma or incessantly runny noses that so many vaccinated children seem to be plagued with!

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      • Yes Corie, you are so right! I would much rather my kids were with unvaxed! I see so many little daycare kids who are sick ALL the time; yes, they take every vaccine that is offered! Horrible! Even their teeth are bad from all the drugs! Heartbreaking to watch them suffer from a lack of knowledge…

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  18. I happen to know of several people who naturally got chickenpox on more than one occasion (no vaccine) because i’ve heard their stories a lot lately. personally we have just gone through a chickenpox crisis..my unvaccinated child got it from my shingles. Not such a big deal for most people, however my four year old has a primary (genetic) immune deficiency. He doesn’t make antibodies. He gets iv infusions of donated white blood cells every week to fight off illnesses. The information in this article is very slanted, I want my family to be just as healthy as the next guy, but be careful of your research. Everyone seems to find “scientific” proof to back up whatever they have already decided is right. Some of us don’t have that luxury. Your unvaccinated children are a ticking time bomb to mine. I know that is your right and Its part of living with a sick child, but if you are reading it you should at least consider the full effect of your choice. I hope you can read that as information not an attack, as my experience has shown me, people on both sides are very sensitive to this view.

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    • unvaxed kids don’t just spread disease. any child can infect your child with a disease, vaxed or unvaxed. we all carry bacteria and viruses on our bodies, vaccination doesn’t change that.

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    • Kelli, I know what a struggle you must have with your child’s deficiency; please do not believe the hype about non-vax kids being carriers; when they shoot that virus into a child, THEY can be the carrier and most often ARE. When my Dad was sick with cancer, my kids were little and I didn’t have enough knowledge not to vaccinate, so my doc asked about my dad and then turned to the nurse and said to give mine the dead virus, because of my dad’s immuno-compromised system. Guess what kind they give to most? The LIVE virus. Think about that. BTW, you will have to research about this to get at the truth…way too much money involved…29 yrs in healthcare..I know.

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      • Kelli, no offense, but my immune-compromised four year old little sister who was born at 24 weeks and suffered brain bleeds and water on the brain, cerebral palsy, and come slight autistic tendencies. She cannot receive vaccines, because they give her seizures. Ironically enough, she is around my 2 21/2 year old son who has never had a single vaccine in his life, and she is around him several times a week. I’d think after almost three years, if my son was a ticking time bomb to my little sister, it would have exploded already. On the rare occasion she gets sick, it’s usually from other children who have come into the house, or from church. While I can see where your coming from with a child with a special condition, I find your comment slightly ignorant and offensive. According to you, I’m putting my own loved ones at risk for their lives. You’ve obviously been scared to death by the doctors. I assure you, an unvaccinated child carries no more disease (plus they don’t shed!) than any other child. I’m not handing you scientific proof, because there is proof for everything, you’re right; handing you experience. First hand experience. I also keep a little boy in my house during the week and he’s never sick either. Seems your logic is flawed and I hope you see that and don’t offend anyone else.

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      • I don’t see how them giving the live virus is any different from building natural immunity by contracting the disease. I would imagine the live virus would build up better immunity than a dead one and since it’s a vaccine and not the actual disease it’s easier for the immune system to actually combat/build from than perhaps the overwhelming actual disease.

        Kelli might be misinformed thinking unvaccinated children are “ticking time bombs”, it might perhaps be that she didn’t articulate the correct point. Unvaccinated children are “ticking time bombs” in a sense because they are more likely to contract the disease and keep it propagating. A disease will be more prevalent (and therefore more likely to harm her child) because of non-vaccinated children. They are not directly harboring the disease because they are unvaccinated, they are just contributing to a yummy environment for the disease.

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    • I was vaccinated for varicella as a baby.

      I had chicken pox post-vaccine. Twice.

      One anecdote does not a study make, I know this. However, my experience does beg the question of vaccine efficacy, at least for those who received the type I got back in the early 80′s.

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      • When I was living with my parents, husband, 4 year old and 10 day old baby, my dad (vaccinated) got whooping cough. I also caught it (I was vaccinated) as did my husband (vaccinated) and my mother (vaccinated). The only two who didn’t get it were my unvaccinated children. My newborn was protected by my breastmilk and my son had been breasted for 3 years, so he must still have had some protection. Yet, the medical establishment will have us believe that placental and breastmilk antibodies are weak and don’t protect people well enough. I trust in my body to heal itself. If I was sickly all the time, I would take that as a sign that something in my life is out of balance.

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  19. Thank you for writing so many blog posts about the dangers of vaccines. I too have an unvaccinated child. He is only two now. I would love for you to write a blog post about explaining to your child why they are unvaccinated and all their friends are. To me it would be really hard to tell my child why vaccines are harmful and then him tell his friend that their mommy and daddy choose to shoot them up with harmful chemicals.

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    • We have talked to our 5-year-old a lot about this. What we tell her is that other people think they are doing the right thing, that they do not know vaccines (or processed food, or whatever else we avoid) are bad for them. They are trying to do right, they just don’t know. This has been successful so far because she has compassion for them not knowing. But, she does occasionally try to “educate” the people she meets about these things! So there’s that. But I suppose most kids are pretty outspoken at that age.
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  20. I just say that my kids are “vaccine compliant”. Even though they have never been stuck and never will be, they are ” compliant” with our state law with the exemption paperwork. I’m not lying, just being vague about it. It’s no ones business how we have chosen to take care of our children’s health.

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  21. thanks so much for this post. whenever we make a choice to go against the mainstream, it is helpful and reassuring to hear these myths debunked.

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  22. I vetted the herd immunity argument through interviews with 6 vaccine advocates. I had already decided the adjuvants were worthy of omission from my child’s healthcare, but I still wanted a thorough understanding of the defenders of herd immunity saw it. My question, “What direct studies have been done that demonstrate the percentage of a population that produces immunity?” I got a lot of hemming and hawing, which in and of itself, is damning to the argument. Two of the six admitted, finally, that there were no studies that they were aware of that fixed a percentage of any vaccine. That this was just a CDC estimate. One, very honestly I thought, told me that it was a matter of faith.

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  23. I do not vaccinate and it is no one’s business whether I do. The herd immunity myth only pits parents against each other if the non-vaxing parent advertises. The medical decisions I make with (or without) my doctor are privileged communication, even in the eyes of the law. It is not the business of my next door neighbor or anyone else.

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    • It is my business if my newborn or someone who cannot have a vaccine is in contact with your children! Your children could be sick and not know it or be carriers. Keep them home then and don’t put other children at risk.

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  24. My response to people who give me the “Herd Immunity” argument is that children who have been given antibiotics also pose a risk to my child. After all, antibiotic users are responsible for the creation of deadly antibiotic-resistant superbugs. Secondly, people who take antibiotics end up with weaker immune systems, so they get sick more often and therefore put the people they come in contact with (like my child) at greater risk. That said, I am not going to make such derogatory comments as the above poster that Sarah references, or suggest that antibiotics be outlawed for “the greater good.” If your instincts tell you to take your doctor’s advice and give your child an antibiotic or a vaccine, I feel you should have the right to do so. Similarly, I hope that people can learn to respect the decision of parents who choose not to vaccinate their children.

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  25. When confronted with the argument, I ask what difference it makes how many children in a classroom are vaccinated, if once you take your child into a supermarket they’ve left this herd protection? A 40 year old, the rough median age of the population, was given at most 11 injections of 4 vaccines under the CDC schedule. The justification for increasing injections, as Dr. Blaylock pointed out, was the discovery that vaccines didn’t confer lifetime immunity.

    Remember, the problem with vaccines isn’t “Herd Immunity” it’s “Herd Thinking.” This is where the reptilian part of the brain takes over following the decisions of everyone else. It’s one of the best, and oldest, mass influence tricks in the book.

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  26. I understand the emotions everyone, including myself, has on vaccines and vaccinations. The reality is, we are making our choices on what we hear from the media, including your blog (which I really enjoy), rather than seeing hard data. The neurosurgeon (you) quoted said, the ‘most of these vaccines’…. Well, WHICH vaccines was he referring to in his statement. He does not clarify which ones loose their effectiveness or do not loose their effectiveness in 2 – 10 years. That makes a huge difference in drawing conclusions that ALL vaccinations should be terminated. I have a friend who has suffered from polio. It is not an easy life for her as she is mostly wheelchair bound, but, she has not let that stop her from living a full life. I cannot imagine seeing more people having that disease and suffering the consequences of it in our society. I do not find the United States culture readily accepting disabled people into mainstream society with jobs or raising families. These individuals have had to legally fight their way for access to public transportation, and modifications, such as ramps to restaurants, stores, etc. I agree with you that companies with overwhelming appetites for massive profits want more medications that are not necessary in our society. However, I do not agree with you in that throwing out ALL vaccinations is the best course of action for our society either. I suggest that we all do more research on the follow up studies in recent years on vaccinations to make our choices and make those studies easy to find for the general public to read. Thank you!

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    • Christine, Many of us on this blog, I am sure Sarah included, have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours researching these issues. Some of us have read more studies/research data and listened to more lectures than most doctors. To us getting a piece of paper and adding several letters after our names from an institution who promotes only one way of thinking is worthless. Our goal is to do what is best for our families. You bring up the example of polio. If you are truly interested in learning and understanding polio and the polio vaccine, find an hour to watch this lecture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twch-T-n8Ns. You Criticize the neurosurgeon for not being specific on which vaccines in a very short quote. Sarah gave you his name. He has hours and hours of lectures available on line where YOU can find out which vaccines. Do a Google search. Yes, it is very time consuming. There are some of us who don’t let the media spoon feed us and feel it is our duty to our families. We are willing to share what we have learned with others but we are not willing to spoon feed you either, only point you in the right direction to pertinent information. The rest is up to you.

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  27. Very good information again Sarah. I’m thinking people will go on debating this for the rest of time! I am for NO vaccines….That’s my vote! :)

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  28. Thank you for this story. I was also told that vaccines laster ‘forever’- except tetenus (why just tetenus? Didn’t occur to me that was a sign!). When I was pregnant in 1985, the docs found that I was not immunized to measles….but in fact everyone in my elementary school was vaccinated on the playground!

    I am a pro-vaccine person, but feel that those who don’t are not bothering the other kids. I figure, hey, you choose your way and take your chances. I am immunocompromised and keep my tetenus shot up to date (specially since I work on a farm!).

    Enjoy your column.
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  29. i am constantly shocked by people who express such anger towards others who have a different lifestyle. we cannot even debate in america unless we are in collective groups, like weston price, biodynamics big alternatives to what we have been taught in the american frame work. i spent 2009 citizen lobbying, fought against 50 bills. i would never do it again as i had to sleep on couches and starve since it is not a paid gig. i spent 80 hours a week. one of the bills would have made it a felony to talk about something like vit c. there are so many issues the average dumb ass does not even have the mental capacity to understand as the “thinking abilities” have been breed out, drugged out, vaccined out and media out. i am constantly getting email like the one in this article and it always makes me upset however you have to continue to listen to your own heart, mind and report it………..i started a blog while i was interning on a biodynamic farm and while i went back to school for BD. i hope to get back on to writing it and do some deeper reporting for myself…….blessings to you keep up the good work. i love your blog and send it and post it everywhere…………

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  30. Michelle Valdes via Facebook February 25, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    To the previous poster who mentioned that non-vaxed kids are still a ticking time bomb: I understand your concern for your child, and I don’t think anyone who doesn’t vax their kids wants anyone else’s child/ren to catch any of the diseases. But I think it’s unfair that many people (not saying you) blame non-vaxed kids. Lets remember that in the last several pertussis breakouts in different states, 91% of the cases were in vaxed children.

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  31. i am a no vaccine advocate. having experience in western medicine and being a practitioner of energy and structural medicine i am clear about what the vaccines of the modern age, since 1991 have become and the damage to the brain. my work now focuses on the brain and the function of it to treat every kind of disease…….mental , emotional, physical, spiritual………

    i am all about growing food and herbal plants for medicine and i am a survivor of a stage 5 brain tumor. i cured myself from diet, spiritual work and a desire to completely change my life, my thinking, how i felt. it was an 8 year transformational process and what i learned was that i am a divine being who has all that is needed within me to accomplish any task no matter what it is…………we damage our brain we shut off our ability to communicate with the infinite who constantly send us streams of information on how to heal, how to become, how to understand the vast amount of information coming to us and how to create it into the earth experience.

    i see vaccines as one of the ways that we are kept from living out a whole life by damaging our brains early in our life thus our ability to create bringing about our life purpose, destiny if you will for the evolution of humanity is extinguished. in some case even destroying this ability in the lives of the whole family who have to care for a person who has been damaged beyond repair.

    i have no idea what that feels like to have allowed people who you think know to inject your child with chemicals that damaged their brains. to know that you took the child there and not allowing yourself to feel the pain and guilt all the while you tell people that at least you saved them from a disease and death. this is something i hear time and time again in my practice. i think if these people can move past the covering of the truth and feel the guilt and shame they could help to turn around the situation of vaccines. by not just following along blindly, being conscious about it.

    in most other countries it is against the law to vaccinate a child under 2, period, ever. doctors in other countries believe that becasue the immune system in childern under 2 are not ready to handle a vaccine and the vaccine will cause more harm than good. so even if you believe in vaccines, maybe you could do some research for you and your family and make sure that the vaccines are given in a right time frame, be proactive and tell doctors what you will do and will not. giving an infant the hepititis vaccine at birth is wrong…………maybe wait until the child goes off to college? where they will have exposure to possiblity of contracting hep.

    we all need to think, not fight………….we americans have been trained to be on a constant battle for who is right and wrong. maybe we should try to find a common ground, a dialog, debate to create more freedom of choice that this country was suppose to have been founded on.” instead of how dare you”, maybe, “wow this article really upsets me and pushes my buttons and do you have any more information i could read to understand your point of view”?

    as women we really need to come together…………together we are the change we want to see in the world…..
    thank you for reading………….
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  32. Sarah Berra via Facebook February 25, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Is it fair to ask someone to injure or risk injuring their kid just for the sake of false “herd immunity”? Just saying.

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  33. Sarah Busch via Facebook February 25, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Non vaccinated children or adults do not walk around carrying viruses that wait to jump on other people. If a child is sick, vaccinated or not, keep them home. A healthy human wont infect others from regular contact. Do people really believe that non vaccinated children are riddled with infections? Give me a break. I wish people would use their minds.

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  34. We had a major outbreak of Whooping Cough in Washington State last year. The report I heard was that most of those with WC were people who had been vaccinated. One of our WAP families (7 children) were all infected, including the baby and all recovered. I suspect that none of them will ever have to worry about WC again because they got immunity the natural way. Certainly there is a risk of death, but if we maximize our immune system with healthy diet and life style we have the best chance of surviving, IMHO.

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  35. I spend time every afternoon in my community with a friend who has a 3 year old daughter with cerebral palsy. Her daughter was born completely normal however suffered severe brain damage directly after a vaccination at around 4 or 5 months (don’t remember the exact age). This little girl is SO beautiful however she is completely handicapped and is unable to do anything! I just keep thinking, what if the mum knew all this info about vaccinations? Her daughter would be living a normal life… Vaccines are too dangerous and I thank you Sarah for your blog. Please keep writing strongly because people need this information.

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  36. Alex Kolaczynski via Facebook February 25, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    certain viruses require natural expression from internally in the body (a sign that the body is getting to appropriate strength constitutionally), so vaccinating kids is suppressing the virus, making vaccinated kids the time bomb to our unvaccinated kids!!

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  37. Thank you so much for this article!
    I have six children and I vaccinated all of them until number six was born small and with a disability. ( They did not give as many vaccines back when my older children were younger as they do now). I just could not give my 4.12 ounce baby a shot. It was then I researched and then we stopped all vaccines on all my children. I can’t tell you how many nurses and Drs that have treated me terrible and were so rude to me. I had one Dr tell me she refused to be my Dr if I did not vaccinate my child and then she walked out the door! The next day I got a certified letter from her stating she was not my daughters Dr. Like I really wanted her to be! I have found a Dr that will not pressure me but it takes time to find one. There are more and more people choosing not to vaccinate because of all the stuff they put in them. I am glad I did not give in to the guilt they put on the parents. I stuck to my gut and am so glad I did. Thank you for the encouragement from your article!

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    • Good for you S.M.! Great that you held on and went with your parental instincts. I’m convinced that Dr’s today are beating it out of us. In my experience, I’ve found a couple of of old school Dr’s have been more approachable and less condescending of my decision. The ones I’ve met, both their daughters do not vaccinate. They admitted this to me! Hmmm? See if you can find a clinic that intergrates other healing modalities. Less likely to run into trouble there. Goodluck.

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  38. Bethany Gordon via Facebook February 25, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    My daughter is almost one and the next vaccinations are “due” soon…I’ve spent hours and hours and HOURS researching the best option from all sides. Thanks for posting this Sarah, as the ‘herd immunity’ idea was one of the main reasons I had for vaccinating in the first place. I can honestly say that I had a great hospital birth experience, love my doctor and respect her etc..I am terrified of saying “no” to vaccines to her face…maybe she will surprise me. The judgement I’ve already received for even THINKING of not vaccinating is UNREAL. I love my baby girl, and only want the best for her!! Ultimately, my husband and I are going to do what we think is best…but I fear the persecution. I’m going to continue to educate myself with fervor. I appreciated reading all the comments on your site Sarah, interesting to see where others are coming from etc. Thanks for being open to talk about this in a world that is SO judgmental in this area.

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    • Kudos to you for being willing to do whatever is in the best interest of your family in spite of the reactions you’ll get. I encourage you, if you do decide not to vaccinate, to choose a pediatrician or family practitioner who is respectful of that choice. It is important to be on the same or similar philosophical page as your doctor. Their philosophy affects the way they see everything and the actions they deem appropriate as a response to those things. It is worth the drive or out-of-pocket expenses or whatever it takes. It has been observed that unvaccinated kids tend to get sick much less frequently than vaccinated children, so you’d probably be at the doctor less often anyway!

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    • Research until you no longer feel fearful. That’s what the Dr’s prey on. Nothing sells vaccines like fear-fear-fear. Make sure you get hubby on your side as well. Really important you are both on the same page with this decision. Check out Dr Mercola web site.

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  39. Sazzifrazz,

    I am not an all for or all against vaccines. MAYBE, in your son’s case, it may be the best option for him. You are a special situation. You need to really think this through for yourself. If he were to contract pneumonia and you did/didn’t vaccinate, what would you think? If you did vaccinate and he had a noticeable vaccine reaction, what would you think? Only you can answer these questions, but your situation is certainly different compared to the typical person because of your son’s family history and splenectomy. It is not an easy decision, but one you must come to. Good luck to you.

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  40. There is no “vaccine induced immunity” and “naturally induced immunity”. The whole point of a vaccine is that it triggers the exact same response as getting being infected with a virulent agent while not actually getting the disease it would cause outside of a vaccine. The reason the immunity doesn’t last is because diseases evolve, and this applies to “naturally induced immunity” every bit as much as to vaccines.

    Further, we are seeing outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases. http://www.cfr.org/interactives/GH_Vaccine_Map/#map

    Please, I beg of anyone reading this, google “vaccine preventable outbreaks” and read the links that come up. The anti-vaccine movement is killing children. You are not protecting your children by buying into this stuff. You are putting them and others at risk.

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    • “The whole point of a vaccine is that it triggers the exact same response as getting being infected with a virulent agent while not actually getting the disease it would cause outside of a vaccine.”
      Can you show some links/research supporting this?

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    • Elisabeth Gibson March 5, 2013 at 7:51 pm

      I think that you just made the author’s point. By the way, it’s not an anti-vaccine movement; it’s a question-vaccines movement. On a personal note, my child does is not vaccinating (he was vaccinated as a baby) because he has an auto-immune disorder. He cannot produce the antibodies that a vaccine is supposed to procure. I know this because I’ve studied what the FDA has to say on the matter. He also rarely becomes ill with any kind of infection. He’s absolutely no threat to you.

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  41. If I give a kid a vaccine, they 100% will have those chemicals in their bodies and I will have to take full responsibility for any reactions that may happen (from fever to fatalities, as there are known risks on both scales). And that decision can not be reversed. Once the chemicals go in them, for better or worse, it’s all on my shoulders and they can’t be removed.
    However, if I don’t give them a vaccine, there are a number of things that would have to happen just so, or the cycle wouldn’t work….. First, we are proactive & have immune systems of steel–we always wash hands, stay inside when there are outbreaks, we stay out of doctor’s offices & hospitals so we’re not knowingly directly involved with sick people, and we only eat organically so our immune systems are not jacked up from lab-created & pesticide-infected processed ‘food’ that mainstream people eat.
    Now, they would have to actually be exposed to the disease during it’s contagious period.
    Then, their immune systems would have to be at a certain low point at the exact time of exposure.
    Then, they would have to actually contract said disease…, just because they are exposed, doesn’t mean they’ll catch the disease at all.
    Then, they would have to not be healthy enough to fight off the disease.
    Then, we would use all natural remedies available to help rid the disease & treat the symptoms.
    Then, if those remedies didn’t work for some reason, they would have to be ill enough to require a visit to the doctor.
    Then, we would have to take all pros v cons to see if medicine is appropriate, or if it is just a ride-it-out kind of thing.
    Then…. see my point? That’s a whole lot of sh*t that would have to happen just so precise, that it isn’t worth it to me. I just can’t justify putting the chemicals in them & taking the known risks, when it’s actually harder coming up with how the stars would have to align just-so in order to even contract the disease.

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  42. If the herd immunity does not exist. Why has small pox been almost irradicated? Why is polio virtually non existent? Rubella? Measles?

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    • Exactly.. But is amusing that people believe that the big bad pharma’s have paid off all doctors, scientists, government officials, the media.. etc.. Fact is a large number of doctors no longer offer vaccines because it is not economically feasible?? And federal government has to frequently push vaccine makers to make specific vaccines available.

      “I once ran into the road without looking and did not get hit by a car so running in the road without looking must be safe”

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    • Good question(s). Can you answer? If it was vaccines, then there should be data showing a significant drop in cases of any/all of these diseases after the vaccine was introduced.
      If it was not the vaccines, then you would see said significant drop BEFORE the vaccine was introduced. Seems simple to me. Now to find the data that supports this…

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      • The explanation is quite is quite simple, the data does show a significant in instances of vaccine preventable diseases once vaccinations became readily available (http://goo.gl/uXo97; http://goo.gl/rqxHqk). There was no drop in morbidity before the vaccines were introduce. Most people making that claim point to info graphics such as this one: http://goo.gl/dY62qN. What many fail to notice is that these charts reflect a decline in the mortality rate among people who contracted the disease, not the morbidity rate of the overall population. It’s not surprising that the death rate of infected individuals would have decreased in years prior to vaccinations as several major life-saving medical advancements were developed at this time (for example the introduction and widespread use of negative pressure ventilators, or “iron lungs”, significantly reduced the death rate of polio patients since paralysis of respiratory muscles no longer meant certain death). However, the actual prevalence of the these diseases did not decrease until vaccination became available.

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  43. My son just got out of hospital for pneumonia. The doctors and nurses made it a point to continually inform me that the flu vaccine would probably have prevented this terrible illness. I caved the first time and allowed him to be given a dose of Tamiflu, but then I regained my courage and declined anymore vaccines. I am sad to know that my home remedies were not good enough to prevent him getting pneumonia and wish someone could point me to a source of info to help me prevent this in the future. I am trying to switch to a more healthy diet, but I cannot go completely natural as my husband and kids are not getting on board. HELP!

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    • Tamiflu is not a vaccine. It isn’t even an antibiotic. It is an antiviral. If he had been given it early in his case of the flu it also would have reduced symptoms.

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      • Yes, I used the wrong word, but my point was He had already had the flu 6 days before hospitalization. I told the doctor that and she still wanted to give him Tamiflu. If it is going to be effective it would be in the first 48 hours.

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    • You should take a look at the videos on this site about how to make bone broth. Hands down, this is the number one thing you should be giving when someone is ill. I like to give my family a small shot of elderberry syrup daily, beginning in September, and continuing through the winter flu season. You can either purchase it, or make it yourself (much cheaper!), and it has been shown to prevent colds and the flu. It builds the immune system. As someone else mentioned above, there are many good homeopathic medications for illness as well.

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      • I made some of that good broth a few days ago, and will be doing it regularly. I hope we
        Get some benefit from it even though chickens are not free range…
        I tried every homeopathic remedy I had at home that might work, I went to health store and bought whatever they said should help, but he still ended up in hospital… I hope to keep learning and in time have my family so healthy they will not get this sick again!

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    • Don’t beat yourself up about this… As a suggestion, If he shows signs of any cold etc next time head straight to a homeopath. Timing seems to be critical. I’ve found that going to a homeopath, I avoid the Dr’s. I also agree with Jen about the bone broths. Very healing on the gut which is where most of our immune system is located. Vit C and Probiotics are also good. I’m sure you did your best at the time. Its not always easy to follow your heart when dr’s are giving you the third degree. I think building the immune system takes time before flu/cold season hits. Start early. P.S I strongly recommend the book “How to raise a healty child in spite of your Doctor” by Roberts Mendelsohn MD. A well known Pediatrician that talks you through childhood illnesses without the nonsense and scaremongering. Just plain common sense. Wonderful book that put me at ease and helped me to stop second guessing myself. Good luck

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      • Thanks for the encouragement Shel and everyone else! I have been looking for a homeopathic doctor but haven’t found one yet. We are new to the area and good doctors are hard to find!

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    • P.S Sorry Brenda meant to recommend also if you make the bone broth make sure you buy organic meat bones. Ask the butcher to cut them up for you so you access the marrow which particularly healing. While you are at it you can check out Dr Mercola and Weston A Price Foundation web sites. They are both quite helpful with dietary guidelines. Just pick out the ideas that go ding-ding for you! Just make small changes at a time instead of big sweeping ones. That way it won’t overwhelm you.

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  44. Alex Kolaczynski via Facebook February 25, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    make sure you have the support of a really good recommended chinese herbalist or homeopath, or someone that you can call 24/7 in case your child is ever really ill. this is your only real insurance. it is natural to get ill, you need a doctor if you are not recovering naturally or well. a mum knows if things aren’t quite right. Anxiety is the fastest way to get weak, which you transmit to your child anyway. You don’t need to take risks like not having support or just going to a standard doctor. If in doubt, beyond your sanity off course you go to any doctor or hospital. but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. there are so many good clinics these days with complimentary medicine. +ve health :)

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  45. Although I take what the pharmaceutical companies tell me with a bag of salt, I know that polio and smallpox are close to nonexistent due to vaccinations and I witnessed that in my lifetime. I’m not sure i would have wanted to chance getting either one of those diseases and I knew a number of people scared by both in my youth.

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  46. Three of our fully-vaccinated granddaughters have contacted chickenpox. All had receive their full compliment of vaccines before becoming infected. One of them has had the disease three times and another twice. Obviously, these girls are unable to develop immunity to this disease either through natural or vaccine exposure. However, they are considered by the authorities to be part of the ‘herd’ protection. Despite being fully-vaccinated these girls contribute nothing to the ‘herd immunity’. It is unknown how many of the fully vaccinated are truly contributing to the mythical ‘herd immunity’ for any of the vaccine-preventable diseases because it has never been studied.

    At best, vaccines provide a false sense of security. Even the most ardent pro-vaccine proponents admit that vaccines do not always induce the ‘right’ level of antibodies in all people. In clinical trials they decide how many shots it takes to induce the required level of antibodies in 95% of the carefully selected participants. Manufacturers are not required to demonstrate vaccines reduce the rates of disease contraction, contagion, complication or mortality. Despite the lack of supporting evidence it is assumed that antibody titres equate to immunity. Vaccines are the only medication where evidence of efficacy and absence of harm are not required before approval. As there have been no studies done to check antibody levels in the majority of vaccinated people there is no way to know how many of them are ‘protected’.

    Post-marketing monitoring is virtually non-existent. Many countries have government run no-fault compensation schemes for the vaccine injured. Without the need to take responsibility for any harm caused by their products why would vaccine manufacturers have any incentive to investigate adverse reactions.Without adequate studies the whole premise of vaccination protection, safety and herd immunity are pure speculation.

    No parent should ever be pressured, on the basis of speculation, to risk their child’s health in the hope it may protect someone else’s child.

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    • I know someone who had polio….my dad. He got it at age 5…he never got the vaccination. And for the record, he lived into his 60′s after being a professional ice skater with the Ice Capades for over 15 years. It wasn’t the polio that took him out (nor did it disable him obviously!) it was pancreatic cancer from the modern food supply.

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    • Oh well since you cited a source from “thehomeeconomist” it must be accurate. If you fail to recognize the importance of these vaccines in the eradication certain virus’s then you have zero credibility. I will accept the argument of the efficiency and dangers of some vaccines but if you are unwilling to accept scientific results/statistics of such a large populace over such an extended time period you are doing people who are trying to make an informed decision a serious injustice.

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  47. This topic always generates lots of discussion – good! Not sure if anyone has mentioned yet here that the US still has over 90% vaccination coverage, even with vaccination rates dropping. So, there it is- we’re a hyper vaccinated country, and the outbreaks of measles, mumps, diphtheria etc etc keep happening. In fact they happen often in the vaccinated.

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    • 90%?? What are 90% of us vaccinated against?? So 90% must include all immigrants(legal/illegal) people over age of 50 who were born before most current vaccines were even developed? Those with religious affiliation that does not allow for vaccines etc. Please cite your source. Would be an interesting read.

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  48. I’ve heard that whole “herd immunity” speech from a doctor…when I asked for “more information” on vaccination safety and effectiveness they sent me to the CDC website. That’s like referring yourself for a job! “Yes, I’ll do a great job…I’m really a hard worker if I say so myself!”

    Speaking of lies…there’s no reason to lie and say your kids aren’t “vaccinated” if you use homeopathic nosodes. They provide protection without “side effects” like autism and death. We use them for MMR, Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitus…on and on. Even flu protection can be had this way. It can also treat vaccinosis, as we have done with previously-vaccinated family members. But I will say, as I’ve told parents who want to know which homeopathy to use for a sick kid that is still allowed to eat donuts…homeopathy can’t fix what a bad diet will perpetuate. :)

    Also, my husband as a child had a very bad reaction to the MMR. We mentioned that when they started the vaccination speech and it was END OF STORY. They dropped the whole issue like a hot potato. Maybe if vaccinosis runs in the family, they better not push it lest they face a lawsuit??

    I love this blog because I was once a fearful first-time mom and didn’t know who to trust, and here we have example after example of people speaking up with their experiences after Sarah’s fantastic article…people talking to each other is the best proof, the best “case study”…this is real, unlike those bogus “statistics” they pass out at the doctor’s offices!

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  49. I have a way to answer idiots about vaccines. Say: If the medicines they sell on TV have a list of side effects that include death, thoughts of suicide, allergic reactions, sleeping and sexual disorders, organ failure and on and on… How can you allow them to jab these so called medicines into your baby not knowing the side effects that will result over time?
    Geno\’s last post: Free Death Shots Here…

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    • Research?? You mean “reading” internet articles written by individuals who are NOT doctors? Research requires a lab, technical expertise etc. Or how about talking to the people who lived through it? Or possibly ACTUAL medical professionals? Oh that’s right ALL the doctors, and the government and scientists over the past 30 years have been paid off? Amazing how many people have been paid off to sell a 25.00 shot.

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      • They all have to tow the party line, or they are banned from the profession. Read the comments here of health professionals that refuse the flu shot – that’s the end of their career.

        Doctors? Not impressed. How many times have you told your doctor about a side effect you’re having and they’re not the LEAST BIT INTERESTED? No wonder VIOXX was left to kill and maim thousands.

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      • RLB1130, I take it you never bothered to take a look at the link posted. It is a lecture by a Doctor with statistics and research presented. I guess you have no interest in spending an hour looking at data that may burst your bubble.

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  50. I don’t know where to begin since there are so many holes in logic in this argument against immunization. The biggest problem for me is the batting about of the term “natural immunity” without defining what it is. It is an obvious logical fallacy to define a term with the term that begs to be defined; such argument is termed circular reasoning. In order for me to be convinced that diseases and deaths in plague-like proportions have been eradicated because of natural immunity as opposed to decades of vaccination, I would have to know what is meant by “natural immunity.” Yes, people survived the plagues, but only after one-fifth of the world’s population died. The survivors had “natural immunity” and clearly it was the fittest who survived. I would much rather see far less death while eradicating or greatly diminishing a disease through vaccinations than rely on the “natural immunity” of a few to carry on the human species.

    A girlfriend of mine brought over her chicken-pox infested child telling me that my children were going to get chicken pox anyway, so they might as well be exposed. I could have killed her, and the chicken pox that child past on almost killed my son via a secondary complication to that viral infection called meningo encephalitis. The infection caused a swelling of the lining of Philip’s brain and spinal cord. He was unconscious for three days and spent several weeks in hospital learning to walk and balance all over again. He was six years old. We were told that 50 percent of the children who contract the disease do not survive, and 90 percent who do have varying degrees of disability. Philip was lucky. Physically he was fine although he lost almost 16 pounds because he could not eat without vomiting due to the dizziness the swelling caused. Mentally he remained very bright although his IQ fell short of his identical twin brother’s whose IQ was in the genius range. Thank goodness now there is a vaccine for chicken pox. I am firmly on the side of vaccination and do have a problem with those who would risk their children and others because they don’t want to be part of the “herd”. I expect survival of the fittest will take on new meaning in the future.

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    • Wish there was a thumbs up button. Sorry you had to go through such a scare but glad to hear all seems to have turned out fine.

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    • A 50% mortality for chicken pox? Can you provide a source because that sounds about 49% too high. I think you probably mean 50% of the very few who develop severe secondary complications. I am sorry your son was one of them.

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    • It would be interesting to know if that strain your son caught was a vaccine or wild strain of chicken pox. The A-typical strain of measles is quite virulent but is a vaccine strain. and is common in vaccinated children. Just wondering…

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  51. Just got Dr. Blaylocks letter today and it supports what I said earlier. Also thanks for the charts that show how diseases decline. One can say the same thing for tooth decay – had already declined significantly before fluoride was added to water. ————————
    from Dr. Blaylock – March 2013
    Childhood Sickness Is Key to Better Immunity, Longer Life
    Few people recognize that natural infections, especially early in life, can actually be beneficial as they serve to build a very strong and resilient immune system for later life. In the days before vaccination,
    people’s immune systems were allowed to become strong in just such a way.
    This means that, as they aged, people in previous generations were significantly stronger and less likely to die of disease than today. I was startled when I was taught that in days past the average lifespan was 40 years of age or less. This actually is a bit of deception. When we combine all the people who died in infancy, childhood, and early life with older deaths, the average life span was quite low. But for those who survived the calamities and diseases of early life, many lived just as long or longer than we do today. It has been noted that there are a growing number of people living in their 100s, implying modern life is healthy. Yet we must remember these people were mostly living in rural
    areas and small villages where life was hard, diets were mostly natural and modern medicines were rarely used until the extremes of age. It is our early years which determine how healthy we will live
    in our later years. Their early life was during a time when most of modern medicine didn’t exist.
    If modern diets and medicine are so bad, why are people living longer than ever? There are at least two parts needed to answer to this question. First, these are people who were minimally vaccinated, ate better diets, mostly avoided medicine until absolutely needed, had strong family and social bonds and worked very hard all their lives. Second, when they developed sickness, such as heart failure,
    medicine could keep them alive artificially by using machines, electronic gadgets, powerful
    medicines and other techniques. That is, they were very ill, but we had ways, for example, to force their diseased, weakened hearts to pump years longer. Not that this is a bad thing – it is a very good thing to have when diseases overwhelm us. Yet, our older populations are in general very sick people.

    Flu Vaccine in Children Impairs
    Resistance to Infections
    Despite extremely large studies showing that in children younger than 4, the flu shot offers no more protection than a placebo, public health “authorities” and the American Academy of Pediatrics still recommend that every child age 6 months and older be vaccinated each year.
    A new study now has added further worries about this dangerous policy. Dr. Rogier Bodewes
    and his co-workers at the Department of Virology, Erasmus Medical Center in The Netherlands
    reported in the 2011 issue of the “Journal of Virology” that children less than 6 years old who
    receive the seasonal flu vaccine every year are severely impaired as regards immune protection against viral infections in the future. The vaccine suppresses a special type of immunity – called heterosubtypic immunity – that involves special antiviral lymphocytes. The study, using both animals and young children, found that only natural infections stimulated this critical type of immunity. The vaccinated children had complete paralysis of the protective system. Because vaccinating such small children has been a policy only since 2007, we do not yet know the full
    implications of this poorly conceived vaccine policy.

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  52. Ever hear if Lister? Hygienic practices are what eradicated illness and disease. Sounds simple, but people didn’t wash hands regularly, doctors didn’t sterilize equipment, etc. when Lister began these practices, disease transmission decreased.

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  53. My two chicken-pox vaccinated kids recently went on a month long overseas vacation. They were exposed to a couple of kids who had chicken pox (it had broken out in a classroom)…. 2 weeks later the siblings of those kids also came down with chicken pox and two were very very ill. My kids were fine and went skiing for a week. Our holiday wasn’t ruined – delighted family members all around. We would have had to postpone international flights if they were as sick as those other kids.
    In my opinion (not that opinion counts for ANYTHING – evidence is what matters) the vaccines did their job – the unvaccinated kids got sick. My kids stayed healthy. Hooray for modern medicine I say.

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    • My kids contracted chicken pox from vaccinated kids. The school the vaccinated kids go to closed because so many kids had it (despite being vaccinated at a herd immunity level.) You never know how it will go. The only thing you can do is to live as healthy as possible.

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  54. You know, we all have to go sometime from something. When it’s my time, there’s nothing I can do about it. I’m almost 29 with all my childhood vaccinations, but I refuse to get flu/pneumonia/HPV or any other vaccinations that are offered. I would much rather deal with stuff naturally rather than something the government tells me is okay. Even my mom says that if she knew then what she knows now she would’ve have allowed the ones I had.

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  55. Kari Escavacini via Facebook February 26, 2013 at 2:22 am

    Also, is it true that vaccinated ppl shed the viruses and can actually infect those around them post vaccine?

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  56. Many of the commentators refer to “research” done and websites with “research material”. You might as well look up something on “creation” and find it confused with “science”. I also expect most correspondents/commentators would believe anything that’s on the web to be true because it it is on the web, and probably exhibit similar naivete when something is on television.

    Anecdotal stories are NOT evidence of anything, they are simply anecdotes that the story teller believes to be true and unless they form a very numerous part of research and can be verified independently they remain stories

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    • There are plenty of peer reviewed scientific studies on vaccinations, and anyone can read them. Pubmed.com is a good place to start. Some of us actually are scientists… molecular biologists even. We’ve done the research, and we know what we’re talking about. Have you?

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  57. I have searched for this text, but cannot it. Is it out of print already? Do you have any tips on where to locate a copy? Thank you for any help you can give.

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  58. Such an irony here! When I watch my friend’s children, I have to first make sure that they have NOT recently had their polio shot for fear of infecting my healthy, unvaccinated children!

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  59. Anecdotal theories from personal stories are not scientific! Waaahhhh! What happenned to you doesn’t cound because it wasn’t controlled and paid for by pharma, wahhhhh! Sorry, ill take the stories of my neighbors over scientific data anyday.

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  60. Evidence Overwhelming that H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Causes Harm:

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/evidence-overwhelming-that-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-causes-harm/

    This next link covers all of the following information:

    http://programs.webseed.com/Vaccines_Armed_and_Dangerous.htm

    -What Happens If You Have The Vaccination?
    -How to Strengthen Your Immune System Naturally
    -Alternative Choices
    -How to Deprogram and De-Condition
    -Why Vaccine Exemptions Are Given In The Law and Regulations
    -Strengthening/Arming Yourself With Knowledge
    -The Germ Theory vs The Law of the Terrain – Antoine BeChamp, Claude Bernard
    -The H1N1 Backstory
    -What happened in 1958 Asian Flu Brooklyn Heights NY
    -Did Vaccines Really Wipe Out Disease?
    -Homeopathic Nosodes For Detoxification From The Ill Effects Of Vaccination
    -Detoxifying Your Body of Toxins/Poisons
    -Who Actually Got Smallpox?
    -The Renaming of Diseases Based on Economics, Politics, But Not Science
    -The Future Of Vaccines
    -Appearance of Disease vs Disease Itself
    -The Shocking Findings of Journalist Jennifer Hyman
    -Dr. Andrew Wakefield
    -Violence in Vaccination – The Hidden Agenda
    -The Myth Of Clean Vaccines
    -The Myth Of Green Vaccines
    -The story of Maryanne Godboldo
    -Do You Have The Freedom To Say No To Vaccines?
    -Disease Decline in The West Before Vaccination
    -Squalene (MF-59) and Gulf War Illness
    -Peter Doshi, PhD Research on Influenza Statistics

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  61. Sarah, first of all, thank you for all the time and research that you put into bringing alternative views and information to the masses- even when you have published articles with which I do not necessarily agree, I always appreciate your passion for truth and education.
    This issue is incredibly complex. I am pregnant with my first child and will soon have to make many of these decisions. While I did receive the ‘essential’ vacs growing up, I am grateful that we all developed the chicken pox naturally, never received flu shots, rarely reduced fevers, etc etc.
    However, while I realize that everyone can come up with an anecdote to support their opinion, I happened to grow up in a third world country and daily saw the ravages that can occur from an unvaccinated culture- orphanages full of poor babies who couldn’t walk because their legs didn’t work, colonies full of lepers, and countless children born without hearing, eyesight, or limbs due to measles, meningitis, and other diseases their mothers suffered while they were in utero.
    We, as a first world culture, do not suffer from these hardships, and I praise God for that, but there is no doubt that vaccines have played a primary role in this reality. Yes, I certainly think that we over vaccinate, and I plan to delay many of them and skip some of them with my children, but there is no getting around the fact that doing so is a ‘white privelege’ which others around the world only wish they had access to.

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      • Sure- I grew up in Thailand- a wonderful country but absolutely ravaged by what we would consider outdated such as polio and leperesy. diseases. Not to mention so many AIDS orphans :(

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    • The biggest differences I can think of between the U.S. and thirld world countries, are clean water sources, hygiene, and nutrition. Not vaccines. Clean water, sanitary conditions, and quality nutrition are the most critical factors in disease prevention.

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  62. Thank you Sarah, Thank you. I wish everyone on the planet could read your posts. It would change the world for the better. Thank you for ALL you do!!

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  63. Please, see a documentary by Suzanne Humphries, MD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twch-T-n8Ns
    and read “Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins:Curing the Incurable ”

    Both well research, well referenced, scientifically correct and…also a great eye opener.
    My biggest regret is that some 25 years ago allowed my children to be vaccinated. The information was not as readily available and I listened to my GP.

    There are children with some genetic and epigenetic defects that are not able to handle vaccines. If you feel that you need to vaccinate, please research first if your child’s genetic make up can handle the detoxification of all the toxins that are in the vaccines and his/her immune system can handle the assault by foreign pathogens. If the answer is a resounding YES, then go ahead and vaccinate. But if you are not sure, then you are risking your child#s health.
    The is a clear and scientific evidence that many childhood and adult illnesses are attributed to vaccination.

    Please, research, read and once you know everything that there is to know about vaccines – make your decision.
    Good luck.

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  64. These are not my words…. but they made me think of this site.

    In the real world, the majority of people recognize that science and statistics are difficult specialized subjects require years of study and years of experience to master. In the world of pseudoscience, there is no need for hard work. All you need to do to be qualified to argue, advise anonymous people on message boards, and set up your own website to “educate” others is to do “research” on the web.
    Don’t worry, “research” on the web is not nearly as difficult as it sounds. It’s not as if you are expected to actually READ any scientific papers. Merely cutting and pasting their titles and abstracts is enough. Then you cherry pick the statements that you like from relevant professional organizations, while simultaneously ignoring any statements that you don’t like.

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  65. I may be missing something here, but what is the logic behind not letting little Johnny come and play with Junior because Junior isn’t vaxed? If Johnny is vaxed, then he is safe from those “diseases”, right? Or is it because parents don’t believe the vaccinations will really work? It seems like false logic to me.

    So if I don’t vaccinate my kids, (I don’t have any kids but let’s pretend) and send them to school… the parents of the kids who ARE vaccinated shouldn’t worry since they vaccinated their kids to protect them from whatever my kids could “give them”? Right? Or am I on the wrong path here? Since their kids are “protected” supposedly, by the vax, then they shouldn’t have any qualms about them coming face to face with those “germs”.

    Unless.. they fear that the vax aren’t effective? And if that is the case, then why get them in the first place?

    Crazy thinking… or me missing some key point… don’t know which! :)

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    • Rebecca, if have an only child who is vaccinated and their friend isn’t, and they’re of the same age, technically it’s much less of an issue. In some cases a person may get a disease they are vaccinated against, but the symptoms would be much less severe. Most likely they wouldn’t get them at all.

      BUT if you have younger children who aren’t vaccinated against a certain disease and the non-vaccinated friend hangs around, that’s when it becomes an issue.

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  66. I am pretty anti vax, but my husband is VERY pro vax. He says that by not vaccinating we are causing viruses to mutate which is why those who are vaccinated can still get a virus. Recently there was a mumps outbreak in my community, which was a different strain of mumps. It supposedly started with a non vaxed child and spread to vaxed kids. Some of the kids may end up sterile. This is the argument my husband is using, Has anyone heard this argument?

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    • Sara, It is very important you and your husband are on the same page with vaccines. Make it clear to your husband that it is not a matter of you wanting to be ‘right’. You need to show him the facts and the correct history of how this whole nonsense began. (You could mention this blog if you like!) First of all, whether a child is vaccinated or not, if a child is run down and has been eating the wrong things, they will be vunerable to whatever is going around. It all depends on the state of their immune system to begin with. Vaccines do NOT guarantee immunity. Just because it raises antibodies in their system it does not equate to immunity. This is a fact as there are several processes to our immune system. Vaccines have NEVER been proven to be effective let alone safe and the drug companies are not required to prove it either! When they come out with a new vaccine, that causes a new strain and its not because of the unvaccinated. A-Typical Measles is a vaccine strain and is worse than the wild measles. A-Typical measles is common in the vaccinated. It is well known, by unvested interests (and when you are prepared to read past the mainstream propaganda) that, outbreaks begin in the vaccinated because they have been injected with the virus to begin with. It is totally irrational to blame the unvaccinated. Why do people vaccinate their kids? *TO PROTECT THEM* so why do they worry about the unvaccinated? As far as the sterile argument goes. It is very very rare but the scaremongers like you to believe that it is more than likely. If children are looked after properly during their illness, they recover. It is a relatively innocuous disease. Nothing sells vaccines like fear-fear-fear!$$ There is a excellent book called How to raise a healthy Child in spite of your doctor. by Roberts Mendelsohn He provides excellent advice on how to look after your child in such circumstances and talks about each disease with a common sense approach. (He does talk about the sterile topic by the way). This would be a great book for your husband to read as it is written by someone who is a Pediatrician. Someone who had become enlightened and was no longer prepared to go along with the big lie. I recommend the web site thinktwice.com and Dr Mercola also Excellent and very interesting reading for your husband should he be open to it. Goodluck

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      • Jill, if no one was vaccinated, these diseases would kill people, including children Did you ever research history? Before vaccines, thousands died of these diseases. I am thankful we have these vaccines. And also before a baby can be vaccinated, they are susceptible to all kinds of disease so yes, everyone that can be vaccinated should be because those who cannot are vulnerable. Are you suggesting no one gets vaccinate anymore?? So lets not and see what happens? No thank you!! I am going to do whatever I can to protect my child. You can call it brainwashing, I call it smart and protecting my child. And as for the chemicals in our food I do agree they cause health problems, but way before these chemicals were around we had these diseases that we now have VACCINATIONS to PROTECT us against!

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  67. What if we are seeing a resurgence of diseases for other non-vaccine related reasons?

    For example: GMOs in our food? People who never eat actual food but only “edible food-like substances”? Overuse of antibiotics killing off our healthy gut flora? People who do not quarantine their children when they are sick, but ship them off to daycare or school because they have to work? MSG and other neurotoxins in our food supply?

    I’m sure others can add to this list.

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    • Joy, this would not surprise me and this is a really good question and it should be answered. I think the GMO’s will difinately cause problems in the near future. I personally think if a child has been given numerous antibiotics as a child they will be most vunerable compared to a child who has had few or none. It will become a survival of the fittest. Of course big pharma will always come up with a profitable magic bullet solution to cater to more disease. They will just roll out more vaccines to fix the new ones they created along with their agricultural friends. It sure looks that way because no one is doing the studies to find the long term effects of the practices of vaccination and GMO’s. Vested interests have lost their moral compass. :(

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  68. Great article and one which helps readers clarify this particular social issue- that of brainwashing parents and medical personnel with misinformation and that of the pitting parent against parent.

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    • Brainwashing? Hmmm, that’s funny because if you read into the history of disease, thousands died before we had these vaccines. The article is ridiculous,

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  70. They say the point of herd immunity is to cover the small precentage of unvaccinated by the immunity of the vaccinated. We know that vaccination does not confer immunity so the entire concept of her immunity through vaccination is flawed. But, it seems they are admitting failure if they say they need 100% vaccination for it to work. They would be saying, in effect, that the percentage of people who can benefit from herd immunity is near zero.

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  71. I like Gary Cameron’s comment! Surely a vaccine is meant to protect you from others with the disease. Either way it all comes down to personal choice. I prefer to vaccinate my kids having heard what my father’s childhood with polio was like. But I respect other people’s choice not to immunise.

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    • I have to agree. I always have vaccinate my kids too, and i have also always been vaccinated as a child. It’s totally up to the personal choice people make. Even if a vaccine doesn’t immunize 100%, it’s better to get them done on kids.

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  73. All I am aware of is that an enormous number of the population have not contracted a number of very unpleasant (lets remember that bit) illnesses with possible life threatening complications as a result of the introduction of vaccines. My view is, that based on statistical data, if you are vaccinated you are less likely to suffer severe symptoms from one of the lovely aforementioned childhood illnesses. Therefore I owe it to my children ( I believe) to offer them every opportunity available to prevent this suffering ( regardless of what scaremongering internet articles I have come across) Some completely unquantifiable claims are made on here that ‘ vaccinated children are way sicker’ based on nothing but their own opinion and no evidence what so ever. What makes certain children ‘ way sicker’ above all factors is poor hand washing, parents with poor hygiene, mass socialisation in indoor central heated environments and poor diet. Of course these loose mouthed individuals have no idea that people with half a brain are going to question such comments and ask – until you could provide a suitable cohort study comparing all contributory factors, including possible genetic/hereditary immunsuppressants of a large cross section of the vaccination/unvaccinated community in a number of countries against the number of the days during childhood that the children had been ill – don’t write these stupid comments. But then again, it says a lot about that sort of person, and only discredits them and their cause further.

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    • Oh, i guess i should inform the guy i know who is a quadriplegic now because his government-mandated flu vaccine (he was in the military) caused his immune system to strip the myelin sheaths off of his nerve cells that his paralyzation is just “his opinion” with “no evidence whatsoever” and that he should stop faking it and just get up and walk again! How dare you

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  74. I am also not 100% pro vaccinate – and yes, maybe it’s better not vaccinate, if I could I would never vaccinate my kids. But I did so, because it is duty to the society. I don’t want that any woman will lose their unborn baby, because my kids have med. rubella and infect her.

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      • The Social Contract exists between the People and the State, and the State continually breaks their end of the bargain about a billion times a day, every day. And there was never anything in that contract about vaccines. Read the Constitution.

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  75. Gee, I thought herd immunity applies to the fact that my 9 month old baby, who can’t get the measles vaccine yet, can count on your 6 year old not to carry the virus and give it to him. Oh wait… tha IS what it means.

    I think you are being blinded by the lack of a good epidemic as of lately, and the reason is … because we are immune to many viruses.

    Vaccination sucks, but it is part of the social contract, kind of like not throwing a party every night until 5:00 am, only with the health and livelihood of our children.

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    • Vaccinations have only existed for a couple hundred years, theres no social contract there. People getting sick sucks, but its part of the natural ecosystem. Thanks to people disrupting this natural order, we now have over 7 billion people on the planet, threatening worldwide ecosystem/social order collapse. Only those with robust immune systems are SUPPOSED to survive.

      So if youre so worried about your baby getting sick, try keeping it home, washing your hands, and maybe next time using a condom.

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  79. Are you people kidding? Hello these vaccines are to protect our children against deadly diseases. Many people, including babies died of these diseases years ago before we had these vaccines. If everyone thought like you people then these diseases would still be alive and well today and spreading therefore children would be dying of them. You all must believe in conspiracy theories too. Wake up.

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  81. Why should people put their own wellbeing and the wellbeing of their children at risk just to protect immunocompromized strangers? People with weak immune systems are SUPPOSED to get sick, thats now the natural ecosystem works. The second you start overly protecting them, and and artificially allowing them to survive and spread their subpar, compromised immune system genes throughout the population, you are doing extensive, long term damage to the species at large. Youre making it much more likely that a single mutated virus could come through and wipe us ALL out. Natural Selection exists for a reason.

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