Flu Fascism: 150 Healthcare Workers Fired for Refusing Flu Shot

by Sarah Green Living, Healthy Living, VaccinationComments: 113

Mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowboys healthcare workers!

TriHealth, one of the largest employers in the Cincinnati, Ohio metro area, has confirmed the firing of 150 of its nearly 11,000 employees in recent days for refusing this year’s flu shot.

The deadline for employees to receive the flu vaccine was November 16, 2012.  Employees who did not comply with the company’s directive were terminated Wednesday, November 21, 2012 according to a TriHealth spokesperson.

TriHealth’s excuse for its flu fascist policies?

The shots were offered for free!

What a deal!

Ladies and gentlemen, listen up:   TriHealth cares so much for the wellness of its employees that it is paying for their flu shots out of its own pocket this year!   This selfless, corporate act made out of true compassion and concern for its employees’ health comes complete with the following ingredients (from Mercola.com) :

  • Aluminum — a neurotoxin that has been linked to Alzheimer’s disease
  • Mercury – a neurotoxin that has no allowable safety limit according to the EPA
  • Triton X-100 — a detergent
  • Phenol (carbolic acid)
  • Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
  • Betapropiolactone – a disinfectant
  • Nonoxynol – used to kill or stop growth of STDs
  • Octoxinol 9 – a vaginal spermicide
  • Sodium phosphate

In addition, this year’s flu shot also contains the Swine Flu vax which has been shown to increase the risk of fetal death by miscarriage or stillbirth by over 10 times if the person receiving the flu vaccination is pregnant!

Could it be that the company’s real motive for requiring the flu shot replete with these toxic ingredients is to help ensure that TriHealth’s employees will never be healthy or work long enough to collect that TriHealth pension or promised retirement benefits?   Come to think of it, most employees probably won’t even be around long enough to fully vest those 401(k) matching funds!

Now there’s a company commitment to its employees that is worth its weight in, uh aluminum, don’t you think?

The Rise of Flu Fascism

Since when did conditions of employment include the right of the employer to control the employee’s physical person and demand injection of known EPA toxins directly into an employee’s bodily tissues?

Sounds a lot like slavery to me.  Will TriHealth be requiring their employees to be branded with the company logo next?

I certainly hope these employees have retained a high powered law firm to take this matter to court. There is absolutely no legal basis for forcing an employee to be vaccinated contrary to his/her religious or philosophical objections.

For those employees who are teetering on the brink of getting vaccinated in order to appeal for reinstatement of their TriHealth jobs, please consider another option:  a written letter clearly stating your religious objections to the flu shot.

To read how to successfully refuse mandatory vaccinations and not get fired, click here for the details along with a sample letter for you to use.


Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist

Source:  TriHealth Fires 150 Employees for Not Getting Flu Shot

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Comments (113)

  • Jen

    I am personally against the flu shot, well me and my family. In the past we have gotten the flu shot only to be very sick for the rest of the year, off and on. For the past two years I have opted out on this shot, and wow, no one was seriously sick. I honestly believe this flu shot is for money, that’s it. People die from the flu weather they had the shot or not. We are being misinformed and brain washed. Very scary stuff.

    May 22nd, 2013 7:45 pm Reply
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  • Ally

    I received the flu shot for 2 years in a row and both times I got sicker than I had ever been with the just the “normal” flu. I’d usually be sick for 3-4 days with out the vaccine, but with it, the first year I was sick well over a week and the 2nd year I was sick for FOUR MONTHS! I absolutely will not be getting the flu shot again.

    December 1st, 2012 11:30 pm Reply
  • Helena

    I highly recommend Dr. Sherri Tenpenny’s website for rigorously researched information regarding vaccines

    December 1st, 2012 1:38 am Reply
  • Fresh Garden Energy – Grow, Preserve and Enjoy Local Produce via Facebook

    That is crazy!

    November 28th, 2012 9:25 pm Reply
  • lori

    I posted this on facebook and here is a reply I got,

    “But they are the ones that are working with the sick, children, and elders. If they are infected and/or are carriers, they are spreading their illness, disease, or infections. If they are not willing to be immunized than they should quit their jobs as this is a requirement. I personally would not want my doctor or nurse to be working on me if they have not been immunized. We don’t even let our school children and college students to attend public school if they have not been immunized.”

    It’s amazing that people really believe that flu shots work and that they will mysteriously keep everyone from getting sick which is so not true. This girl was pretty sick during the summer, I think with the flu (although who knows, but her postings on FB for a week were all about how sick she was). The irony just makes me bang my head against the wall.

    November 28th, 2012 9:55 am Reply
    • Tommy

      You find it amazing that people really believe the overwhelming majority of the medical and scientific community with regard to the safety and cost-benefit analysis of vaccines?

      November 28th, 2012 2:49 pm Reply
  • Tommy

    Wow – lots of ignorance both in the article and subsequent comments. Fascism involves state (government) control; Tri-Health is a private company enforcing it’s own best practices policies. The author of the piece obviously doesn’t know the meaning of the word fascism and is simply using it to attract clicks on the internet. Unfortunately, everyone here wasted our time reading this garbage.

    Hundreds of millions of humans have received the flu vaccine with relatively few serious side effects. Conversely, 49,000 people die per year due to the flu, and over 200,000 are hospitalized. When you do the cost benefit analysis, there is absolutely no reason to avoid the flu shot, and those doing so are subjecting themselves and their loved ones to much more danger.

    Please stop the conspiracy theories and myths. Uneducated folks read nonsense like the article and comments above and put themselves in danger.

    November 28th, 2012 1:00 am Reply
    • Jen

      You’re obviously reading the wrong blog. EDUCATED people read here.

      November 28th, 2012 1:55 am Reply
      • Tommy

        Sorry, but “Sarah” is not a doctor and has zero medical training. The idea that she is somehow better positioned to offer advice on vaccinations than the doctors and scientists at the CDC is illogical. The fact that “Sarah” threw “Mercury” and “neuro-toxin” into her post without distinguishing between thiomersal and methyl is evidence that she’s just regurgitating non-scientific nonsense and not seriously looking into the issue. It helps get clicks from the tin-foil hat crowd, but her irresponsible posts also have dangerous real world conseqences when folks read this crap and do not vaccinate their children.

        November 28th, 2012 2:23 pm Reply
        • ThisEndup

          Tommy I am an RN. I have plenty of medical training. I have also been in the office when the drug rep was giving computers, trips, and dinners to the doctors. I have seen the rise in food allergies ( something almost unheard of 40 yrs ago). I have seen the narcissitic, controlling, know it all doctors be wrong time and time again.
          You are a lemming

          January 16th, 2013 9:39 pm Reply
    • watchmom3

      Tommy, if you don’t want to know the truth, no problem! Just don’t come to this blog. This is a refuge from LIARS and DISTORTERS.. If you want to read that kinda thing, DON”T COME HERE. Not trying to be rude..just disgusted with such aggressive, all-knowing opinion…based on IGNORANCE. DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

      November 28th, 2012 1:39 pm Reply
      • Tommy

        It’s not an “all knowing opinion”, it’s science and basic math. If you don’t believe in science and statistics, that’s your perogative, but please stop pushing this anti-vaccine non-sense. Real folks read these blogs and some may take them seriously and actually not vaccinate their children. The flu isn’t a joke – 49k people per year die because of this viras. The vaccine is our best defense. Mathematically it’s an absolute no-brainer.

        November 28th, 2012 2:11 pm Reply
        • Patricia


          Please STOP with the nonsense. We know that flu is not that dangerous and the number of “deaths” is fabricated and those deaths are related to other illnesses, not necessarily the flu. Just because some people appear not to suffer ill effects doesn’t make something less dangerous. Everyone I know who gets the flu shot ends up getting the flu. My husband became very ill after taking it and I refuse to take it. Never had the flu and am 60. The “no-brainer” is that you are a die-hard medical care provider who wishes to continue the dangerous myth that flu shots are not dangerous. STOP ALREADY… we are onto you.

          December 2nd, 2012 3:53 pm Reply
    • ThisEndUp

      You are the one who is ignorant. Since vaccines have become mandatory for most schools the incidence of food and other life threatening allergies has sky rocketed. The first reported case of milk allergy coincides with a vaccine containing a bovine additive. an it starts from there and goes on and on. The more vaccines the more allergies.

      But who studies the link? No one because the pharmaceutical companies who are getting billions off vaccines only pay for studies which make them richer. There is also a law on the books saying that if per chance…….somewhere down the road someone should discover vaccines are wreaking havoc with our bodies, no one can hold the pharmaceutical companies liable if they prepared the vaccine correctly. Meaning it will be a big WHOOPSY! Sorry we didnt know it was trashing your immune system but we did manage to mix all the ingredients well.

      Meanwhile who is pushing vaccines? Doctors….doctors who get donations and gifts and own stock in the pharmaceutical companies. Read the House of Representatives Session on Vaccines and Conflict of Interest. What an eye opener.

      Hospitals get donations too. Pharmaceutical companies are making a lot of tiny little pills. You really think it costs THEM 200 dollars to make your medication? No it probably cost them about 10 bucks, if that much.

      January 16th, 2013 9:29 pm Reply
  • Sean Baker via Facebook

    i can’t believe this is legal, however i’ve seen no reports about this showing the fired employees were “conscientious objectors”, so we may not want to turn them into martyrs quite yet, projecting our own beliefs about vaccinations onto people who were potentially nothing more than hopeless procrastinators.

    November 28th, 2012 12:56 am Reply
  • Michele

    I personally know THREE people who contracted Guillen-Barre syndrome from the flu shot. And this is supposedly extremely rare. No way am I getting a flu shot.

    November 27th, 2012 11:08 pm Reply
  • Tabitha Hoffstatter via Facebook

    Do these employees have legal grounds to sue?

    November 27th, 2012 8:38 pm Reply
  • Catherine Purington via Facebook

    Very scarey

    November 27th, 2012 8:31 pm Reply
  • Robin Kelman via Facebook

    Good medical practice is about risk vs benefit of any treatment for a particular patient. Now we want to take that away from those who should be providing that type of care. As a RN I personally would give up working rather than take a flu shot but many do not have that option.

    November 27th, 2012 8:05 pm Reply
  • Julie Graff

    There may or may not be some mode of detoxifying the preservatives from vaccines out of the body. None have been proven at this time. What can not be detoxified is the VIRUS that is being injected into you–bypassing your body’s own natural selection. You are stuck with that. And be aware that the H1N1 vaccine that was banned in Europe because it caused so many deaths is INCLUDED in your flu shot and you are not being informed of it. They have to sell that stuff to someone… You are being injected with two viruses at the same time.

    November 27th, 2012 6:24 pm Reply
    • watchmom3

      Julie, I heard that it is actually 3 vaccines together this year. Also, I read in one of the posts that one lady’s husband took the flu-mist and she sent a neti-pot and he rinsed immediately. She said that none of them got sick…just an idea!

      November 28th, 2012 1:36 pm Reply
  • laura

    i am a nurse practitioner and a nursing instructor in alabama…i claimed “fear of needles” to avoid the flu shot. my co-worker told me i better not tell my students that i abstained because it would discourage them…this same co-worker, who of course got the vacc, was diagnosed with flu today…i feel great!

    November 27th, 2012 5:59 pm Reply
  • Kim Bartlett via Facebook

    The only people I know that get the flu are the ones that have the shots

    November 27th, 2012 4:43 pm Reply
  • Natural Nutrition Nurse via Facebook

    Bring on the masks or fire my @ss. I will NEVER willingly get a vaccine again!

    November 27th, 2012 3:52 pm Reply
  • sharylholst

    The link that you posted at the end of your article that posts a letter from someone who refused the flu shot is VERY well-written. Thank you, Sarah, for sharing that link. She does a great job supporting her position and urging other how they too can carefully, prayerfully, support their own position. If you are one who hasn’t read it – I encourage you to become more aware of the argument by following that link as stated above “click here for the details along with a sample letter for you to use.”

    November 27th, 2012 3:24 pm Reply
  • candace

    we should request the services of healthcare workers who did NOT receive the flu shot. I don’t visit doctors too often, but next time I do, I will ask if they have such a worker and will request their help…just to set a precedent of “what the consumer wants.”

    November 27th, 2012 3:20 pm Reply
    • Jen

      Great idea!

      November 28th, 2012 1:48 am Reply
      • SoCalGT

        Love that idea!

        November 28th, 2012 5:02 am Reply
  • Jackie

    Gosh, flu shots, flu shots, flu shots. I am getting tired of hearing that you have to have the flu shot. I had the flu shot 9 years ago and after I got it, I was so sick. My husband got it this year and I have NEVER seen him that sick (he was told to get it because he is a diabetic). My son got it 2 years ago and ended up in the hospital with febrile seizures. At his check-up this year the dr. asked if we wanted the flu shot for him (he’s only 5) my husband said “Absolutely not”. I can’t believe that places are forcing us to get flu shots or else. I thought that we lived in the “Land of The Free.”

    November 27th, 2012 3:10 pm Reply
  • Helena

    Linda, I think that seeking protection against and from the shot is a great strategy for some people. I also became aware of the vaccine noose tightening up here in the north recently. My daughter’s school handed out forms requiring parental/guardian signatures. The front of the form has a slogan: Immunize BC, issued by the Fraser Health Department> Hep B, meningococcal C, chickenpox and HPV for girls. “Vaccines are the best way to protect your child against many diseases and their complications. When you get your child immunized, you help protect others as well”. On the very back page “Mature Minor Consent” can nullify any signature of the parent. Please beware and take notice.

    November 27th, 2012 2:39 pm Reply
  • Kerri Convertito Lato via Facebook

    Darn auto correct…I meant ‘In terms of legality’…

    November 27th, 2012 2:30 pm Reply
  • Alicia Cousineau-Ingram via Facebook

    And how are the people who get it sicker than the people who don’t?

    November 27th, 2012 2:30 pm Reply
  • Kerri Convertito Lato via Facebook

    This is very scary…I’m terms of legality this is a slippery slope!! Is it true that there is a ‘preservative free’ flu shot?? My aunt claims that she requested one last year and was able to get it.

    November 27th, 2012 2:30 pm Reply
  • Lel

    I remember back in 1976 when I was working for a baby doctor at a hospital and the flu shots first came out. I asked him if he was going to get one and he said “no”. I thought to myself – why would I want to get a flu shot when a doctor working with sick babies will not get one. That was over 36 years ago and I have never had the flu!

    November 27th, 2012 2:23 pm Reply
  • KarenLA

    I do remember reading somewhere, where you could take something to reverse the flu vaccine or at least neutralize it from the body. It may have been on Mercola’s site. There are things that detox your body from mercury and other toxins. One is called Pecta-Sol. It is made from apples. The other one is called Earth’s Harvest, 100% micro algae. The powder tastes awful, but if you throw in raspberries it offsets the taste. Supposedly it even helps with radiation. Lastly, check out Dr. Thersea Dale.

    November 27th, 2012 2:13 pm Reply
  • Linda

    I have loved ones working in healthcare in Canada who are required to have the flu shot or face losing their jobs. My question is: Is there some type of chelating agent, such as doing a Vitamin C flush, that could be taken immediately following an injection to quickly eliminate the vaccine toxins from the body? It may help these people to keep their jobs while we get on with the fight against this mandated, forced vaccination. Sarah, I would love to see you or someone address this!

    November 27th, 2012 2:03 pm Reply
    • SoCalGT

      There are some homeopathic remedies that are given to help clean up after a vaccination. Best to see a skilled practitioner for that one to insure getting the correct remedy and dose since you really don’t see immediate results to know if you used the correct remedy.

      November 28th, 2012 4:57 am Reply
  • Julie Graff

    You’re absolutely right, Cindy. By law, women in this country enjoy a DOUBLE INDEMNITY when it comes to our bodies. We have rights over our bodies as American Citizens and more rights over our bodies as women and conferred by the Supreme Court. In addition, every patient in a medical setting has the “Right to Refuse Medical Treatment”. It is a patient’s right to refuse–and if you are making a decision about getting a shot, you’re the patient. Right?

    November 27th, 2012 1:39 pm Reply
  • Amy

    I work at a hospital here in Tampa,FL. I have been here for over 20 yrs. and this year, we also were mandated to receive the flu shot. I did NOT get the shot but am required to wear a mask when within 3 feet of a patient, which I do! Many coworkers have told me how they wish they could have done the same. Also, when I explain to my patients why I’m wearing a mask, more then not they didn’t get a flu vaccine either! I can’t tell you how angry I am that people are being forced to be injected with drugs. I am hearing rumors that next year we won’t have the choice to wear a mask it will be as the others spoke of. Get injected or get fired. I’m going to find a lawyer this year so I can be prepared for might be coming! I wish more people could stand up to this criminal act but I can understand how people need their jobs.

    November 27th, 2012 1:31 pm Reply
  • cindy

    This sounds like a real opportunity for a class action law suit. If indeed this company can fire someone for not taking a flu shot, what will stop other companies from hiring people who do NOT use, coconut oil or taking supplements? Where are all the women who are screaming that government has no right to tell them what they can do with their bodies, ie, abortion, but it is acceptable to force people into taking a flu shot? We can’t have it both ways. Government has crossed the line many years ago forcing consumers to compromise their health in order to expand their social experiment. Unless people stand up to this tyranny, more freedom’s will be denied.

    November 27th, 2012 1:18 pm Reply
    • KarenLA

      What social experiment? You have private companies forcing people to take flu shots, then wanting employees to take it to court, which is the government. If there was no government, the companies would have a field day, which is why they want to shrink government, so they can get away with more. As a result of budget cuts, agencies that investigate and protect consumers are being reduced, including the courts, while corporate welfare is at an all time high. This also allows for corporations to have more of an impact on the government, lobbying for such things as mandatory vaccines, reduction of employee rights, etc., which needs to be stopped. I agree that it is time for the people to take a stand, they have been sleeping for too long.

      November 27th, 2012 1:47 pm Reply
      • Beth

        I urge people to constructively channel their anger by donating whatever they can to the people who are out on the front lines fighting to make sure these types of policies do not become the law of the land locally or nationally.

        Give as much as you can to organizations like the National Health Freedom Coalition:
        Go to nationalhealthfreedom dot org

        And the Canary Party (not a political party per se but a force for change)
        Go to canaryparty dot org

        November 27th, 2012 3:08 pm Reply
    • Beth

      I urge people to constructively channel their anger by donating whatever they can to the people who are out on the front lines fighting to make sure these types of policies do not become the law of the land locally or nationally.

      Give as much as you can to organizations like the National Health Freedom Coalition:

      November 27th, 2012 2:19 pm Reply
  • Julie Gerasimenko via Facebook

    Flu shots don’t even work in the first place. And if they supposedly DO, how are the people that don’t get it a threat to the ones who got it and are “protected”?

    November 27th, 2012 1:04 pm Reply
  • Katelyn Riechers via Facebook

    So so crazy!!!

    November 27th, 2012 12:57 pm Reply
  • SweetJeanette

    I shared your link on my personal facebook page which started a dialog! I thought I was a lone wolf on this issue. How refreshing to see I’m not really a tin-foil hat person after all. One friend, a nurse at TGH told me they were informed that they get the shot or wear a mask the whole time they’re on the job. She then brought up that that made a whole new set of problems, sighting several nurses at BRH coming down with pneumonia breathing their own C02. Not to mention what the lack of good oxygen does to the cognative skills. (Can you say proper patient care??). Every year, when my doctor asks if I wanted the shot he gets the same reply from me: “until it becomes more dangerous for me to get the flu than the shot…” Lol

    November 27th, 2012 12:33 pm Reply
  • Julie Graff

    I happily ended my own nursing career, this being one of my many concerns about nursing in general. I no more fancied administering this harmful medication to my patients than I fancied having it administered to me. Tip of the iceberg, really.

    At its inception, the chief aim of nursing was providing all of the conditions necessary for the patient’s body to heal itself. I was 100% in favor of this strategy. But nursing has gone downhill and in the wrong direction. It is nothing more than ugly MEDICINE run amuck.: (Definition of amuck: Mad with murderous frenzy.) I’ve found I don’t need money so badly that I would harm someone to get it. First, do NO harm. But harm was the first thing I was expected to do at work, as well as the last thing, and everything in between.

    November 27th, 2012 12:18 pm Reply
    • Tawanda

      What a great post, and the last sentence is a great warning to all. Thank you.

      November 28th, 2012 9:19 am Reply
    • Caitlin M

      I, too, ended my nursing career. I am now a stay-at-home mommy. I dreaded giving patients shots, medications, treatments, food, etc, that I did not support and would never take for myself or give to my family. I admire health care workers that have the stamina to care for others in that way even when they don’t support it… However, I could not do it.

      November 28th, 2012 12:52 pm Reply
    • watchmom3

      Thank you Julie…I am about to end my 29 yr career in Resp. Therapy, and I am sad..but, I am like you..I can NOT ask people to do what I don’t believe in. BTW, there is a movie called, “FIrst Do No Harm” with Meryl Streep and it shows the darker side of medicine. I am learning to live on way less, but I will be happy not to be oppressed daily. Your post encouraged me. Thanks again.

      November 28th, 2012 1:25 pm Reply
  • Tawanda

    Okay, I’m a little confused, given that we have talked about patients being fired by their doctors for not agreeing to vaccinations, as well as harrassed – we have healthcare workers who don’t want to be subject to the same kind of mandatory situation and apparently completely understand about their right to choose.

    November 27th, 2012 12:08 pm Reply
  • Linda

    I don’t think we can call it healthcare anymore.

    November 27th, 2012 11:51 am Reply
  • Joyce

    And now they are trying to make ALL vaccines MANDATORY! Welcome to America! Land of the free, home of the slave!

    November 27th, 2012 11:48 am Reply
  • Brittnee Turner Horting via Facebook

    My husbands company offers flu shots but doesn’t require them, and they also give everyone free boxes of an Emergen-C type powder all winter long. Hopefully this continues…

    November 27th, 2012 11:48 am Reply
  • Lucy

    James, the vaccine either works or it doesn’t! It is NOT dependent on how many people are vaccinated. Logic even applies to this subject.

    November 27th, 2012 11:45 am Reply
  • Lori

    The sad thing is that while there are many who oppose vaccines, there are more who think they have cured everything! I have seen my office mate get in a tizzy about finding a place to get vaccines in the past when there is a limited supply. She was so worried that her family would get sick without them. Well guess what, they got extremely sick with them!

    I agree that people should have a choice and I hope that people start fighting somehow. Even if you are a healthcare worker and got a flu shot to keep your job (sometimes we have to make hard decisions for our families and do things we don’t want to do), that doesn’t mean you can’t start fighting now, somehow, and start preparing for next year when you will be forced to get another shot.

    There needs to be some kind of group who works with healthcare workers to get this change.

    I do think, however, that people need to be careful with their rhetoric so that they don’t alienate people who are on the fence about this issue or who feel like they have no choice.

    November 27th, 2012 11:44 am Reply
  • Jennifer Kelly

    Lets not forget that it’s good business to sterilize your employees. Pesky pregnancies and babies. Maternity leave is expensive!! It’s putting money into the insurance companies pocket too. Line up health care workers. Be good little ones and take your flu shot!! We need a whole army of people that CAN’T have children!

    I think maybe a deviation from NEEDING that job IS a viable option. Downsize?? Start your own clinic? There’s options you haven’t thought of.

    Hmmmm…yep, this pisses me off!

    November 27th, 2012 11:41 am Reply
  • Chelsey Miller via Facebook

    Unbelievable! My work forces us to get the flu shot every year as well (I work in healthcare), or we have to wear a mask (aka-scarlet letter). It makes me so angry every year, beyond words.

    November 27th, 2012 11:29 am Reply
  • Alicia Cousineau-Ingram via Facebook

    Fire people because they are concerned about what is put in their bodies? That makes no sense. I know someone who worked in pharmaceuticals and the vaccine is based on the past season, not the present. The new season has already morphed into a different strain. Sorry they lost their jobs, that is sad. But applaud them for caring about themselves.

    November 27th, 2012 11:16 am Reply
  • Elizabeth

    At his recent check up, my 17 year old son refused the flu shot. He told the doctor he doubted its efficacy. I was then pulled into the hallway and put under immense pressure to tell my son what to do. He HAD to have the flu shot. I smiled and said he was old enough to make his own decisions. Unfortunately, I wonder if under the Affordable Health Care Act we will someday be unable to make that decision for ourselves. If large corporations are forcing people to choose between a job and a vaccine, what choices will the American people be forced to make? A rock and a hard place, indeed.

    November 27th, 2012 10:53 am Reply
  • Suzanne Kelly via Facebook

    Yes she’s serious. People used to think Hitler had good ideas too. Pay attention or else history can repeat itself.

    Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state’s authority, and harsh suppression of dissent. Martial virtues are celebrated, while liberal and democratic values are disparaged.

    November 27th, 2012 10:18 am Reply
  • Aaron Zober via Facebook

    If people in the healthcare industry don’t want the flu shot, that says something.

    November 27th, 2012 10:11 am Reply
    • Angry Momma

      You’d be right. Their eyes are open. Do you remember the movie Matrix? People have to ask themselves if their eyes are open.

      November 27th, 2012 11:48 am Reply
      • Joyce

        “You take the blue pill, the story ends, you will wake up in your bed and believe what you want to believe. You take the red pill, you will stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.” – Glad most of us on here decided to take the red pill….

        November 27th, 2012 11:56 am Reply
    • Stanley Fishman

      Aaron, I think that says it all. I first learned about the problems with vaccines from two ex pediatric nurses in our homeschooling group, who would not allow their children to receive a single vaccination, not for anything.

      November 27th, 2012 2:46 pm Reply
  • Julie

    It is more than a tough call, people have seniority, time in the bank and everyday living to do in this economy. Not to mention, family ties in the area, inability to commute and what you do or don’t do at one hospital follows you to your next job. Most hospitals are not so willing to take someone without a reference from their previous job. I was given 3 choices, a job with a flu immunization, no job, or a job wearing a N95 mask for the whole shift (12 hours.) I can tell you that 12 hours in a N95 mask would be miserable, try wearing one for just a few minutes. I cannot not have a job for the reasons stated above so I chose the flu immunization. Simple survival there. Am I happy about it…no. I don’t even think they work. Do I think they should have the authority to invade my body, no. Do I have to eat and pay bills, yes.

    November 27th, 2012 9:52 am Reply
    • Beth

      This very real situation you describe is an indicator of how insidious these draconian policies are — they know they have people over a barrel. It’s an apt description, sticking people while they’re over a barrel.

      November 27th, 2012 1:53 pm Reply
  • James

    The flu vaccine is shown to be ineffective because so many people already take the vaccine there’s no chance of catching the flu from someone who is vaccinated which is a huge % of the population. It’s not that the vaccine doesn’t work…. the means of it to spread to someone who doesn’t get it is less when other people get the vaccine….

    November 27th, 2012 9:45 am Reply
    • Nicole

      James, that is incorrect. Check out the Cochrane Study on the flu vaccine.

      “Over 200 viruses cause influenza and influenza-like illness which produce the same symptoms (fever, headache, aches and pains, cough and runny noses). Without laboratory tests, doctors cannot tell the two illnesses apart. Both last for days and rarely lead to death or serious illness. At best, vaccines might be effective against only influenza A and B, which represent about 10% of all circulating viruses. Each year, the World Health Organization recommends which viral strains should be included in vaccinations for the forthcoming season.

      Authors of this review assessed all trials that compared vaccinated people with unvaccinated people. The combined results of these trials showed that under ideal conditions (vaccine completely matching circulating viral configuration) 33 healthy adults need to be vaccinated to avoid one set of influenza symptoms. In average conditions (partially matching vaccine) 100 people need to be vaccinated to avoid one set of influenza symptoms. Vaccine use did not affect the number of people hospitalised or working days lost but caused one case of Guillian-Barré syndrome (a major neurological condition leading to paralysis) for every one million vaccinations. Fifteen of the 36 trials were funded by vaccine companies and four had no funding declaration. Our results may be an optimistic estimate because company-sponsored influenza vaccines trials tend to produce results favorable to their products and some of the evidence comes from trials carried out in ideal viral circulation and matching conditions and because the harms evidence base is limited.”


      November 27th, 2012 10:21 am Reply
  • Karen Skvarek via Facebook

    Fascism? Are you serious? The use of vaccines is not a national mandate to control the country! It’s primarily required for healthcare and medical workers and some of us do study for years to do the work that we do and yes, earn paychecks to make a living. Your sensationalism annoys me.

    November 27th, 2012 9:38 am Reply
    • Angry Momma

      You’re highly deceived. And sensationalism? What about a government that says ‘you’ll DIE without the flu vaccine!!’ ‘Hurry and get one’. Oh and we’ll throw in bennies for the companies that effectually put our preferences into practice. Now THAT is sensationalism!! Some of the best there is. Did you see how many followed and how many fought. I’d say the sensationalism won out there!

      November 27th, 2012 11:45 am Reply
    • Susan

      You studied for years under in schools funded by Big Pharma. Doesn’t that tell you something?

      November 27th, 2012 1:54 pm Reply
    • watchmom3

      Karen, I have been in healthcare for 29 yrs and this is absolutely wrong. There is no sensationalism here, just TRUTH. Better find out before your lack of knowledge kills you or someone you love. Go back and read the story about the Trojan Horse, and then STOP taking candy for a “stranger”. One last thing, the “studying” that you do is almost 100% funded by BIG PHARMA. Don’t kid yourself.

      November 28th, 2012 1:19 pm Reply
  • Cheryl Trhlik Zacek via Facebook

    The only time we ever got the flu was when my husband was in the Navy and they forced him to take it. 18 years out of the Navy – 18 years flu-free.

    November 27th, 2012 9:30 am Reply
    • Corie

      Here, too! They made my husband get the nasal vaccine two years in a row. The first year, he didn’t tell me, because he knew I would be upset and worried about him. About a week later, while lying in bed with the flu, it hit me! I asked, “Did they give you the nasal flu vaccine?” Response: “Yep, last week.” The second year, I made him take a neti pot to work. He rinsed immediately following, and none of us got sick. It has been back to the injection since then. Terrible, terrible for him. We are dealing with so many health issues as a result of all of the junk they have injected him with.

      November 28th, 2012 3:15 am Reply
  • Elizabeth Bivens via Facebook

    I’m allergic to eggs. I CAN’T get a flu shot even if I wanted one! The one time allowed one of my children to get the shot, because of extenuating health issues, ALL of my children and my husband got the flu. Yet I didn’t. Skipped the flu shot again this year and when it went around our friends kids we did not get it.

    November 27th, 2012 9:22 am Reply
  • Laurissa Simms via Facebook

    Ridiculous. What has happened to our rights?

    November 27th, 2012 9:15 am Reply
  • TerriAnn Welsh-Farrell via Facebook

    are vaccines being used as a hidden form of STD treatment?

    November 27th, 2012 9:14 am Reply
    • Kristina

      Or population control? “Vaginal spermicide”. Creepy.

      November 27th, 2012 8:55 pm Reply
  • Chris Partain via Facebook

    I can’t believe out of 150 people that someone didn’t google and find the example religious views letter, file it, and let the other 149 know about it. Or did they, and they were terminated anyway?

    November 27th, 2012 9:03 am Reply
  • Kathryn Rhea Grant via Facebook

    I’m impressed that that many refused.

    November 27th, 2012 9:03 am Reply
  • thehealthyhomeeconomist via Facebook

    @Dionne yes it is tough call. Employers have employees between a rock and a hard place and they know it.

    November 27th, 2012 8:51 am Reply
  • thehealthyhomeeconomist via Facebook

    Especially amazing considering that without fail studies show that the flu vaccine doesn’t even work.

    November 27th, 2012 8:42 am Reply
  • Chris Partain via Facebook

    This is something I trully don’t understand. Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t the flu vaccine a crap shoot? I have heard that they have to manufacture the vaccine weeks before flu season so they have to guess what the most prominent strain is going to be. Often times they guess wrong which renders the flu shot ineffective. I don’t understand firing people for something that is “if-ie” at best.

    November 27th, 2012 8:41 am Reply
  • thehealthyhomeeconomist via Facebook

    It’s about money and its about control … healthcare workers will have to decide whether they want their bodies to be essentially owned by their employers.

    November 27th, 2012 8:40 am Reply
  • thehealthyhomeeconomist via Facebook

    @Paula healthcare workers are going to have to organize and fight this. It is not about health as these companies are claiming as the flu vaccine was never mandated before. It is about the growing opt-out movement for vaccines and Big Pharma giving drug discounts and other stuff under the table for big companies like TriHealth that comply with its request for mandated shots.

    November 27th, 2012 8:39 am Reply
  • Paula Ann Mills via Facebook

    Thank you Sarah for helping out in this area. I needed this nudge to get my own defense started as I am a health care worker who cannot take the flu shot.

    November 27th, 2012 8:28 am Reply
  • Brittnee Turner Horting via Facebook

    How awful to fire them the day before Thanksgiving :(

    November 27th, 2012 8:25 am Reply
  • Dionne Wilson Moragne via Facebook

    That’s a tough call when you have a family to support.

    November 27th, 2012 8:23 am Reply
  • Tawnya Howell via Facebook

    I would have been fired also! No job is worth it!

    November 27th, 2012 8:23 am Reply
  • Crystal

    This makes me so upset. Everyone should have the right to choose what goes into their body without harrassment. It should be an individual choice, not a mandatory policy. The nurse at my daughter’s pediatricians office tried to act like the flu shot was mandatory and bully me into it at our last visit. I didn’t let them push me into it. That experience was upsetting enough for me. I feel so badly for these people. An employer should not have that kind of control over a personal health desicion.

    November 27th, 2012 7:51 am Reply
  • Kathryn

    It has been 10 years since i worked hospital, but the shots were given for free to employees then, too. I never had pressure to take them, tho. We hated flu shot time. Many of those who got it were out for 3-4 days, sick, afterwards. They were the ones who got the flu later in the year, too. I don’t think i ever had the flu during those years, just a few colds.

    I understand needing a job, etc., but i have to say, i think it is sad that only 150 people out of 11,000 stood up to this ridiculous requirement.

    Beyond what you’ve shared about the toxins in the vaccine is the fact that it is shown to make very little difference in the outcome – it is not effective.

    November 27th, 2012 4:24 am Reply
  • Stacie

    I am an ICU nurse in Austin TX and at all my past RN jobs, including this one I have had to receive the flu shot- or get fired, even if you have a good excuse. I need to keep my job, so unfortunately I do not have a voice. I tried the religious exemption and it does not work. I will help fight. I am 30 and just upset at what it can do to my unborn children having these toxins in my body. Sad.

    November 27th, 2012 2:20 am Reply
  • Kelly

    In Colorado hospitals/healthcare, you are not even allowed the religious exemption this year, only a medical exemption if you have almost died from the flu shot (nope, egg allergies are no longer an excuse!). And they are firing people too if they do not comply by the deadline. We all have got to start fighting this!

    November 27th, 2012 1:23 am Reply
  • tina

    I’m an atheist and would use a religious exemption not to get a flu shot. I also use a religious exemption so my children don’t have to have vaccines to attend a public school.

    November 27th, 2012 12:39 am Reply
  • Kathy

    opps…guess I should have read all the way down…they are still allowing Religious exemptions…They better…they are supposedly a Catholic Hospital…

    November 26th, 2012 11:40 pm Reply
  • Kathy

    This is a new policy as of this year. I was employed at Trihealth for 10 years. I always filed a religious exemption and was “allowed” to wear a mask whenever I was w/in 6 feet of a patient. I guess it’s a good thing we moved. I had actually come to TriHealth from The Christ Hospital which DID fire me b/c I refused a flu shot. It’s really sad that TriHealth has caved to the pressure. I’m telling you, we the health care workers need to unite against this tyranny….I’m afraid It will only get worse w/Obamacare.

    November 26th, 2012 11:32 pm Reply
    • KarenLA

      What information do you have that things would get worse under Obama Care? My husband and I are paying $1,100 a month for health care, each with a $500 deductible, $20 co-pays per visit and 80% coverage in network health providers, meaning we pay 20% out of pocket. Yet, they continue to reduce the number of visits and coverage of services we use, such as chiropractors and acupuncturists. I would much prefer to use that money on alternative health care, but we need the coverage in case of a catastrophic occurrence, which could bankrupt us. We consider ourselves “lucky” because we can get health care coverage, as health insurance companies call the shots on who they will cover and what they will pay. In California, rates were going to go up 30% for one of the largest carriers and the CEO was getting a $3 million bonus. With Obama Care, health companies can’t turn down people for per-exisiting conditions, which can be anything, including being 20 lbs over weight, young adults over 18 can now be covered under their parents policy and insurance companies were forced to give refunds because they couldn’t prove a preponderance of fees were going to health services. If we can have a national health care system that is run as well as the post office or medi care, I’m all for it. And, no the post office is not in the red because of poor management, It is because a group of Republicans in Congress insisted that the pensions for 75 years be paid in 10, which is impossible, which is what they want, so we will privatize it. Government has its problems, but it provides an array of services and protection to its citizens. It is time the people focused on the vulture capitalists that have destroyed the economy and are ruining this nation with their philosophy that profits come before people and the country.

      November 27th, 2012 12:12 pm Reply
      • Jen

        Well said, Karen!

        November 28th, 2012 12:22 am Reply
      • Kathy

        well first I was going to go with the “hey KarenLA let’s just throw the baby out w/the bath water” comment…..but seriously I have worked in health care in one form or another since 1990, and I do believe that improvements need to be made, but I don’t think government ought to make those improvements…seriously KarenLA when (and please name specifically) has the government intervened and something became better…that is cheaper, better functioning, creating a better product? And getting your news from The View doesn’t count.
        I also do believe that everyone should have some form of State minimum health insurance coverage(that they themselves pay for not the government) I believe that people should be given incentives for maintaining a healthy lifestyle ( and no vaccines would not be on that list). KarenLA you rightly point out that under Obamacare, no one can be turned away for a pre-existing condition. Well guess what health care premiums will necessarily skyrocket to pay for everyone’s pre-existing conditions. And those refunds you speak of re: returned health care premiums where not much at all some as little as $6 bucks up to maybe $100 a few outlier cases up to $900. I also believe that George Bush the II should have NEVER had the government i.e. Medicare pay for prescription drugs. Guess what had happened since that ruling????anyone, anyone??? More drugs have been prescribed. See when government interferes decay happens. I guess you could call my views neither demo or repub…again as someone who has been in the industry fro 20+ years, I see plenty of ways to make improvements……and it ain’t a flu shot…

        November 28th, 2012 12:58 am Reply
        • Lakisha

          Very well said, Kathy. I am neither democrat nor am I a republican, and I don’t know about you, but I don’t trust either side, and in regards to this flu shot…I AM TERRIFIED!!!

          November 28th, 2012 8:46 am Reply
          • Kathy

            Amen sister! I’m going to keep on fighting against these mandated vaccines!

            November 28th, 2012 9:40 am
        • Megan

          keep yu healtyh ins ideas for you. dont need them

          November 28th, 2012 6:04 pm Reply
          • Megan

            I also do believe that everyone should have some form of State minimum health insurance coverage( shud have put this there with it

            November 28th, 2012 6:05 pm
        • Maggie

          Good Katie,thanks for that clarification ,i’m 100%with your opinion,with this administration this is going to be very badddddddd,people be prepare

          November 29th, 2012 4:35 pm Reply
      • Corie

        We are a military family, and I always tell people that if they want to know how “great” government-run healthcare is going to be, they can look to the military for their example! Chiropractors and Acupuncturists? TriCare would laugh if called asking them to pay for anything “alternative.” None of that is covered. In fact, nothing my family needs or desires in the way of TRUE healthcare is covered under the military’s fabulous, free plan, which is why we took ourselves off of it several years back. The only things we got from our coverage were harassing phone calls wanting to know when I was bringing my babies in for their vacs (Never!) or when I had had my last pap (None of your business!). They even called my husband at work to harass him about this stuff. I tried several times to get moles removed. There were so many phone calls and doctors visits and so much red tape to get through that the moles are still there today! Such a ridiculous mess and wast of taxypayer’s money. Don’t get your hopes up, KarenLA.

        November 28th, 2012 3:10 am Reply
      • herbalmommie

        Politics aside, the official government stance on vaccinations are that they are safe and that the risks are very small for the greater good. So, if government has more control over health insurance it’s not that far fetched that they may require vaccinations as a condition for getting that insurance. There are two states that have such tight restrictions on exemptions that they are pretty much non-existent. Many states are constantly fighting to keep the exemptions they do have.

        November 28th, 2012 11:31 am Reply
      • watchmom3

        Sorry Karen, but you deceived if you think that the mess we are in was caused by ONLY Republicans..NO WAY our government was hijacked by one party…It took ALL of them working together to put us in this mess. (Imagine what they could do, if they were really interested in HELPING us!) There is not a single government agency that works well. I know, 29 yrs in healthcare and my husband has 15 in Long term Care, so we both have seen upfront what government intervention does for a business. You don’t have time to hear all the examples of government run AMUCK that I could tell you. I haven’t had health insurance in 10 yrs and I want it that way. Most of healthcare is unnecessary, except for acute problems, and then I just pay my bill and don’t accept things that I can’t pay for… Even if they told me I had cancer, I would NOT use the system. Worse things than dying in this world. I have a Savior and if I die, I know where I will be. The things being done by our government and nation are illogical and self-destructive. We need to educate ourselves, as the government is not responsible for us. WE ARE!

        November 28th, 2012 1:13 pm Reply
      • Megan

        if you put that money away each month youn wold have what you need for that rare chance

        November 28th, 2012 6:02 pm Reply
    • ThisEndup

      I am an RN
      I worked in a doctors office for 10 years
      I had patients with the flu coughing on me, blowing snot all over the office and teeming with fever. And I never had a flu shot. And i never had the flu.
      Its all about money. There is a HUGE rise in food and other life threatening allergies which coincides with mandatory vaccination in schools.

      No one studies it cuz it would cost the pharmaceutical companies billions

      January 16th, 2013 9:42 pm Reply

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