Court Denies Lawsuit Over Child Vaxed Without Consent

by Sarah TheHealthyHomeEconomist December 29, 2012

Those of us who had children in school during the 2009-2010 Swine Flu “pandemic” likely remember the parental consent forms that school administration sent home requesting permission to vaccinate students for the H1N1 virus.

Like many other parents who had done their due diligence research on this shot, I denied consent to have my children vaccinated and even considered keeping them home from school the day the public health nurse was on campus just to be sure my children weren’t “accidentally” vaccinated.

Jennifer Parker of Lisbon, New York, evidently had a similar plan to bypass vaccination for her daughter Madison, who was in kindergarten at the time.  Ms. Parker did not sign the parental consent form and further, did not want her daughter vaccinated, so this wasn’t just a case of missing paperwork.  She erroneously assumed that the school would honor her wishes and not innoculate her daughter with what was, in her view, the dangerous H1N1 vaccine which has in recent months been shown to increase the rate of miscarriage and stillbirths in pregnant women by over 10 times.

In December 2009 when the St. Lawrence County Public Health Department held a clinic at Lisbon Central School, however, an overzealous public health nurse had other ideas in mind for little Madison.

Federal officials had declared a “public health emergency’ in response to the H1N1 influenza virus outbreak and the CDC recommended administration of the vaccine Peramivir.  In her zeal to “protect” the children, a public health nurse inoculated kindergartner Madison Parker even though her mother, Jennifer Parker, had not signed a parental consent form.

No doubt enraged over this blatant disregard for her parental rights, Jennifer Parker sued the school district and the health department.   She charged that immunizing her daughter without consent amounted to negligence and battery on young Madison.

As the case wound it’s way through the legal system, the school district was eventually dismissed as a defendant.  The court refused to dismiss the claim against St. Lawrence County Public Health Department, however, which claimed a right to vaccinate the girl based on the pre-emption powers provided by the federal Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP).

Although the court held in favor of Ms. Parker finding that PREP did not extend to a situation in which a governmental entity administered a drug or vaccine without consent, the Appellate Division had a different view.

On Nov. 21, 2012 the court’s original decision was overturned and the Appellate Division held that PREP pre-empts state law claims.

Justice Karen Peters, writing for the 5 judge panel, stated that during a declared public health emergency:

“no state … may establish, enforce or continue in effect with respect to a covered countermeasure any provision of law or legal requirement that (A) is different from, or is in conflict with, any requirement applicable under this section; and (B) related to the … use, … dispensing or administration by qualified persons of the covered countermeasure, ….” 

She went on to write:

“Considering the breadth of the preemption clause together with the sweeping language of the statute’s immunity provision, we conclude that Congress intended to preempt all state law tort claims arising from the administration of covered countermeasures by a qualified person pursuant to a declaration by the Secretary [of Health and Human Services].”

In conclusion, Justice Peters wrote that the entire complaint must be dismissed and that Ms. Parker had no grounds whatsoever to sue.  

Lessons to astute parents from this shocking and disturbing decision by the New York Appellate Division?

#1:  The Federal Government can and will vaccinate your child without your consent and this trumps whatever state laws protect you from this type of violation.

#2:  If a public health emergency has been declared and the public health department is coming around to schools to vaccinate children, keep your children home!   At least for right now, the vaccination police still cannot come through your front door and vaccinate your children against your will.

Could the United States be far off from what happens to children when they get vaccinated against parental will in Malawi?   If the vaccine propaganda warfare currently raging against parents who don’t vaccinate is any indication, it is a very extreme but yet real possibility.

 

Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist

Sources:  New York Appeals Court:  Federal Government Can Vaccinate Your Children Without Your Consent – Trumps State Law

Mom Loses Suit Over Daughter’s H1N1 Vaccine

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  1. Generally I can’t understand post in information sites, on the other hand wish to express that the following write-up very obligated my family for you to do the item! Your own publishing style has been amazed everyone. Thanks a lot, really good post.

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  2. I guess the very fact that consent forms were asked to be signed, was a bogus action, if not signing one was disregarded.

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    • What we really need to know is why some people are more susceptable and how to treat them effectively. There will always be deaths from the flu, unfortunately, but aren’t many of the susceptible groups also susceptible to any flu strain and other illnesses? I can’t imagine why even the commenting doctor above, who is part of a susceptible group, doesn’t advocate for this – instead everyone should get a shot of questionable efficacy with possible harmful side effects when nobody can tell us any hard numbers about H1N1. The ROOT CAUSE of people who are hard hit by the flu is not a lack of a vaccine nor does a vaccine cure. During the Spanish flu, alternative medicines had better success than conventional. I feel like we’re still stuck in 1918!

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      • Yes, IC, especially since the groups most susceptible to death – the young, elderly, and immune compromised – derive little to no protection from the flu vaccine. Thanks for your comments.

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    • That might not be possible since many people contract the Flu and never bother to go to the doctor. It just comes and goes and life goes on. I certainly don’t go to the doctor for such trivial matters.

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  3. First off, let’s get some facts here. The H1N1 pandemic started with the first cases in Mexico in March, 2009. There were some reported cases of unusual flus in January. That is when the pandemic actually started. WHO changed the definition in May 2009. H1N1 would have still fit the old definition of a pandemic anyway, whether they changed it or not.
    H1N1 has been around since 1918. There are many patents for it through the years. There was a great difficulty getting it seeded in the eggs for the vaccine for 2009. (Like H5N1 it also kills the eggs). There was no patent earlier than the pandemic for that specific one.
    As for the majority of them containing thermosal- no they don’t. The individual doses and the nasal spray do not contain it. It is used only as a perservative in multi-dose containers. There is absolutely NO scientific proof vaccines are linked to autism. (and the disbarred Dr. Wakefield study does not count.) There have been conflicting studies linking the flu vaccine to narcolepsy. H1N1 has itself caused neurological illnesses, including narcolepsy and there are ongoing studies it may be linked to parkinsens. (on an interesting note the original H1N1 in 1918 also had that happen, they just didn’t have the medical diagnosis for parkensons yet.)

    As to you making your own choices, I don’t care what you do with any choice that only involves you or your family. But, this involves everyone else in the community. Believe it or not, people are affected by whether someone chooses to vaccinate or not.

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    • Please check out this website. It may not be the mercury in the vaccine causing the autism: http://www.soundchoice.org/autism/

      also, it was precisely b/c of the change of the pandemic definition that they were able to gin up the alarm that EVERYBODY needed Vaccine…follow the money..the new definition took away the requirement that their had to be mass casualties prior to the declaration of the pandemic…the new def simply stated that it had to be a new virus w/novel characteristics

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      • I don’t believe vaccines are the only cause of autism – more like a trigger to an already existing predisposition to gut problems. GMOs are also definitely implicated. Whether mercury is the cause specific or a catalyst. I still do not want to be injected with it at levels that are far above those considered “safe”.

        Thanks for this valuable link.

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      • That is interesting Kathy, and also horrifying. I think using aborted human fetal cells for vaccines is absolutely reprehensible and disgusting. If I had known they were used to make vaccines, I probably wouldn’t have had my kids vaccinated at all!

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        • It is absolutely horrifying. This is what made me rethink vaccines ten years ago, when this information first started to come out. If you read through the Sound Choice site, there is a part that says something to the effect that the FDA is worried about how the human DNA fragments can influence the recipient’s own DNA. From what we are learning about epigenetics, it makes complete sense.

          Anyone who dismisses vaccines as not the cause for autism because of Andrew Wakefield is not informed or up to date with their information. It is irresponsible to make this sort of statement as a medical professional! I expect my doctors to be on top of current research. The doctor behind Sound Choice is a highly respected doctor. She isn’t even anti-vax so there is no reason for the mainstream medical community to not be aware of her research.

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          • Not to mention the fact that Wakefield never claimed vaccines cause autism. He found a link in some instances. And his studies were done several times since, by independent researchers and they got the same results. Wakefield is innocent of all the charges brought on him.He is a great and sound researcher and he was slandered for fraud with no basis.

        • I have 5 children, and did not truly start researching vaccines until after child no. 4. The use of aborted fetal cells in vaccines are just one of the many reasons I am choosing to be no vaccine. child no. 5 only had 1 vaccine (the Hep B) 30 min after she was born….and I never signed the consent for it…….very,very upsetting! I was then basically bullied by the nursing supervisor, presumably so I wouldn’t file a lawsuit.

          Also there is a story breaking on FoxNews currently about a 4 y.o NJ boy being denied access to school b/c his parents refused the flu shot for him d/t an egg allergy.

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  4. We need to be informed:

    The majority of flu shots contain 25 micrograms of mercury, an amount considered unsafe by the EPA for anyone weighing less than 550 pounds. Now then, take the two-shot recommendation and you receive 50 micrograms of toxic mercury. Have you ever met an 1,100 pound pregnant lady or baby? But Big Pharma money talks louder than dead babies, so go ahead, get your toxic flu shot..

    The H1N1 flu shot contains:

    Beta-Propiolactone – Carcinogen
    Neomycin Sulfate – Neurotoxin
    Polymixin B – Immunotoxin
    Potassium Chloride – Neurotoxin
    Sodium Taurodeoxycholate – Carcinogen/Immunotoxin
    Thimerosal (Mercury Derivative) – Neurotoxin

    Vaccines are linked to:

    Narcolepsy
    Guillain-Barre Syndrome
    Autism
    Paralysis
    Dystonia
    Rheumatoid Arthritis
    Lupus
    Cancer
    Death

    The H1N1 vaccine is now BANNED in multiple countries! The vaccine developers refuse to take it! We need to protect ourselves with knowledge!

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    • Thank you Denise for sharing your wealth of knowledge including documenting sources. I really appreciate it. You have had far more patience than I would have. Some people just refuse to look at facts. Doesn’t matter how much damage their stance does to others. In their own minds they are the authority and no one dare question it. This government and the media has fed their grand illusions at the expense of others. Those who have seen and felt the damages caused by their false knowledge are disregarded and ridiculed. They are not OK with giving individuals the opportunity to make their own choice. They need to force all to conform to their will. I know that Sarah and others like you on this blog want to present the data so we can all make our own informed choice. It’s what makes this blog so valuable and such a pain in the behind to those who want to control others and force their will on them. Just want you to know I appreciate all of the time you have put into this.

      Thought I would add something that I found laughable in the last couple of days. On Thursday the radio was reporting that it was going to be a really bad flu season because the flu strain that was going around was not a strain in this year’s vaccine. On Friday the news was reporting, “Early outbreaks of the flu indicate an unusually bad flu season. Still time to get you flu shot authorities say.” Scare them one way or another to get them to comply.

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      • SoCalGT, Thank you for your kind words. I am amazed as you are how people just spout the party line. In all fairness, most of those not involved in Big Pharma do have good intentions. They regurgitate what they are told and don’t know it is false information.

        I have people tell me to my face that GMOs are a good thing for the world and they do no harm. Monsanto’s scientists don’t even believe that! We need to be diligent and vigilant.

        I love a good debate and I don’t just parrot. I am very careful and if something someone says sparks my mind, I go research and have in the past changed my position on certain things – soy, for instance.

        I pray for wisdom, don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, and remain confident in the fact that no vaccine is a good thing. Since I began researching this stuff when I was 19 and I am coming up on 51, I have a few miles under my belt.

        I do try not to be arrogant or rude, but sometimes . . . :)

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  5. Kathy, good for you. I would refuse it too. Most people don’t know that the definition of a pandemic was changed BEFORE the outbreak and that a patent for the H1N1 vaccine was secured a year or two BEFORE the first cases were reported. It was definitely engineered. I hope you found a great job!

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  6. Oh the irony. You believe a group of doctors that say they are “independant” because they support your posistion in this, but cast away any other doctors disagreeing with it. You know nothing about the Cochrane group, yet get behind them completely. I have been following what they say for years. They most certainly do have an agenda. They claim to “analyze medical data”. They are anti-vaccine and anti- antivirals. They have (financial)ties with the WHO, they use their “analyzing of data” to promote whatever the WHO wants. Oh, and buy the way, a large part of that group is centered in China. If you believe those doctors are “independant”, well I have a bridge to sell you. I remember the story of one young doctor, who made the mistake of telling a reporter how many patients he had that died of bird flu. Their police came and arrested him, and his mother says she never saw him again. So tell me, how “independant” those doctors are going to be?

    Dr. Osterholm now has ties with a risk communication company that works for the WHO, and other places. That is a conflict of interest with what he does. He never discloses that financial relationship. His message changed after that happened. When someone has pretty much the same message, than all of a sudden changes you notice it. Slander, no, facts yes.

    I guess you don’t want anyone disagreeing with you. The nerve of me. You see, I think this is a very dangerous idea. You tell me to go vaccinate myself, yes, then you benefit from herd immunity. Again, the irony.

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    • Aside from whether vaccines are effective or not, there are risks to injecting something that is foreign into your bloodstream. In helping my daughter recover from a severely crippling rheumatoid arthritis, I joined an online community for RA. Many people believe that their RA was caused by a vaccine. Of course we don’t know this is true for a fact. However, we do know vaccines trigger an immune response. Could they also cause auto-immune response? Are there any scientists evaluating this risk *before* subjecting the population to a vaccine? Not as far as I know. We who are vaccinated *are* the guinea pigs. Auto-immune disease can be debilitating and sometimes deadly. If vaccines are the cause, then they should be avoided.

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  7. “People like you”? What incredible arrogance! The issue you latched onto like a bulldog was not whether he was pro-vaccine. It was whether the flu vaccine is ineffective. It is. MANY experts have this opinion including world renowned immunologists. You are wrong. Case CLOSED. Go drink more Koolaid, lady. And find a blog where people agree with you and really want to hear what you have to say. Good grief!

    There are five vaccine damaged children in my family – not mine because “people like me” have the good sense not to vaccinate our children full of ineffective chemical laden vaccines – and you can believe I have done my homework.

    I pity poor Dr. Osterholm. Because he has looked at the data and come to the right conclusion – it was poorly done – he has fallen from your good graces. What kind of crack is this? ” Recently, he has let conflicting interests sway him more. I guess everyone has their price. Since he got involved with the Cochrane group he just hasn’t been the same.”

    As long as he agreed with you he was a good guy. Now that he doesn’t, you blacklist and slander him? Implying that he had a “price” is outrageous. The Cochran Collaboration is independent and made up of 28,000 experts from 100 countries. But of course, you have more knowledge than they do. Puh-lease!

    Go vaccinate yourself! I’m going to be smart and take D3.

    Sorry, Sarah. I usually have more self control.

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  8. Read carefully, Debbie:

    ” Last month,, in a step tantamount to heresy in the public health world, scientists at the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota released a report saying that influenza vaccinations provide only modest protection for healthy young and middle-age adults, and little if any protection for those 65 and older, who are most likely to succumb to the illness or its complications. Moreover, the report’s authors concluded, federal vaccination recommendations, which have expanded in recent years, are based on inadequate evidence and poorly executed studies.”

    Those MOST LIKELY TO SUCCUMB get LITTLE IF ANY protection from the flu vaccine.

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  9. How do I know when The Public health department is coming to my school ????
    Would they let me know it???
    I have goosebumps , I came here from communist country and now I fear for my child . Never understood why homeschooling should be good idea for my kid . Suddenly I see it everywhere . Now I need to get ready and have a courage and do it even English it is not my primary language .

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  10. I know Dr. Osterholm, I have spoken to him many times. I would like to see where the above information came from. That is not how he feels about vaccines. Could you provide a link for the above quote?

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    • Guess you’re wrong.

      http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/reassessing-flu-shots-as-the-season-draws-near/

      And though he still encourages vaccines – who knows why – the BEST strategy for fighting flu is a quality vitamin D3 and an excellent diet – strong immune system.

      I have eight autoimmune conditions and am well and truly immune compromised, but I don’t get the vaccine. Though I work with disabled adults who are sick all the time and get the flu though vaccinated every year, I do not get the flu and I have had one cold in the last 4.5 years.

      I’m finished debating. The only reason I have done this far is because you had the gall to say Sarah disseminates misinformation when your information is so off base it’s laughable. Sarah’s blog is a treasure trove of well researched information and I appreciate it more than I can say.

      Maybe it’s time for you to consider both sides, get a balanced view and actually read about the opposing view – something I have done for the last 31 years.

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    • By the way, in case you don’t take the time to read the artcile linked, here is a quote:

      “We have overpromoted and overhyped this vaccine,” said Michael T. Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, as well as its Center of Excellence for Influenza Research and Surveillance. “It does not protect as promoted. It’s all a sales job: it’s all public relations.”

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      • Do you have a link for the article? Once again, Dr. Osterholm is not anti-vaccine. He wants flu vaccines to work better. There is a difference.

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        • I did not say he was anti-vaccine! He said the flu vaccine is ineffective – you said it was very effective. The link is awaiting moderation.

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          • No, he said it still worked about 60% (in articles I have read), but could do better. Which I agree with. One of the things we have to do is to stop letting WHO choose which strains to use for the vaccine. The CDC should do that. Margaret Chan is not looking out for the best interest of our citizens. While I have been pretty disgusted with how the CDC, it is not surprising. For the last ten years or so, they have been replacning doctors and scientists with political appointees whose main concern is risk communication, instead of public health.
            I go way back with Dr. Osterholm. He was very outspoken about the flu and vaccines. Recently, he has let conflicting interests sway him more. I guess everyone has their price. Since he got involved with the Cochrane group he just hasn’t been the same.

        • Of course, Debbie. He couldn’t have just realized he was wrong. And you call 60% “effective”? Oy Vey!!!

          According to CCIVI researchers, influenza vaccine efficacy in healthy adults has been frequently cited as 70% to 90% since efficacy and effectiveness studies began in the 1940’s.

          “The problem with those statistics,” said Osterholm, “IS THAT MUCH OF THE DATA FROM WHICH THESE PERCENTAGES ARE DERIVED COME FROM STUDIES WITH LESS THAN OPTIMAL METHODOLOGY AND POORLY DEFINED CLINICAL OUTCOMES (emphasis mine).” He said that studies using optimal methodology have not found the same level of protection often attributed to the current vaccines.

          “I’m an insider,” Dr. Osterholm said. “Until we started this project, I was one of the people out there heavily promoting influenza vaccine use. It was only with this study that I looked and said, ‘What are we doing?’ ”

          “It does not protect as promoted. It’s all a sales job: it’s all public relations.”

          Pretty strong language. Let it go, Debbie. You are wrong, wrong, wrong. Thank God people are waking up!

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          • Sorry, I am not wrong. You left out that he still BELIEVES in vaccines. As long as there are people like you, there will be people like me, who will tell people the truth. (and by the way, that “study” was done by the Cochrane group. A group with a agenda- and one that does not have our public health’s interest)

  11. My sources are the best doctors in the world. The CDC does not say vaccines are ineffective. Do they work 100%, absolutely not. Few things in life do. I research, question, and make informed decisions based on actual scientific merit. I challenge anyone here to show me that flu vaccines are 100% ineffective.

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    • No one said they are 100% ineffective. But they are LARGELY ineffective and many doctors do not get them. Do you know how many times the CDC has made the statement, “This year’s vaccine was ineffective because . . .”?

      I have no doubt you know a lot about the flu. I question your sources. Choose your doctor:

      “If you consider the findings of a 2011 study published in the journal The Lancet, only 1.5 out of every 100 adults, at best, who get a flu shot will avoid developing influenza. Since only 2.7 out of every 100 adults develops the flu apart from getting a flu shot anyway, the benefits of getting a flu shot are statistically negligible, in other words, according to that particular study.”

      “Michael Osterholm from the UM Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy analyzed more than 12,000 peer-reviewed studies, documents, transcripts, and notes dating back to the 1930s, and found that there was very little solid evidence that the flu shot provides any real protection for most people. As it turns out, those at highest risk of suffering from the flu are least likely to derive any benefit from flu shots, especially because flu strains are constantly morphing and becoming more virulent.”

      We agree what was done to that child was wrong. We will never agree on vaccines.

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  12. “That said, the flu vaccine does work. Naturalnews is to real science as to National Enquirer is to real journalism. I have studied the flu for ten years. I have talked to some of the best virologists and doctors in the world during my research, including Dr. Fauci and Dr. Fouchier. I have a good friend who is a doctor who advised 4 different presidents before he retired. I have spoken to John Barry, author of the Great Influenza. In years past I worked with the federal goverment to get our country ready for a pandemic. I know more about the flu, than almost anyone in the general public”

    Exactly, Debbie. Consider your sources and keep drinking the Koolaid. Even the CDC will admit the vaccines are ineffective.

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  13. With H1N1, it was different. This particular flu, hit younger and healthier more than it did the elderly. It did hit the vulnerable very hard- those with asthma, down’s syndrome, pregnant woman and even strangely the obese. With the elderly the studies done on flu vaccinces seem to be different than those done on others. Even though the elderly do have some natural immunity due to their age, they are more susceptable to, for example pneumonia, which can be caused by the flu. For example, one study I just read, says they may need a higher dosage than the rest of the population.

    One way we can look at the way vaccines have worked is to compare the rates of flu that we had here and with that that England had. We had very high rates of immunization here, and over there, there were record low rates. Guess which country had a mild flu season and which didn’t? We had a very mild flu season and they were hit very hard.
    They decided they didn’t need to vaccinate-
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2062523/Flu-jab-children-ruled-wont-cost-effective.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    Even though they still vaccinated their elderly, most others didn’t get it. And remember H1N1 mainly effects the opposite of the normal flu.
    http://www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk/news/health/flu_jabs_to_ease_hospital_burden_1_4048632

    This article talk about their vaccination programs
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8973016/Giving-children-flu-jabs-would-cut-disease-by-95-per-cent.html

    Here is one that talks about the effectiveness of the vaccines.
    http://www.medpagetoday.com/InfectiousDisease/SwineFlu/28957

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/skipping-kids-flu-shots-prove-deadly/story?id=14527663

    I am glad to see that you will admit there are some people (the vulnerable) that will benefit from the shot. The problem with H1N1, is that it hits the heathly in a various number of ways, with no warning. This year there are many strains circulating, not just H1N1. The odd thing is, there have been many deaths of younger people that have died after getting it, within just a couple of days in just the last couple of weeks. I haven’t seen any sequincing yet (which in itself is very odd). They usually release it after these incidences. I don’t know yet how well this year’s flu vaccine matches. I had heard of some brisbane flu cases, and if that is the case, it isn’t included in the vaccine and should have been. It always causes deaths at a higher rate and has been circulating for at least two years now.

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    • The problem with H1N1 is that the CDC directed doctors to stop testing after a few months, and included anyone with flu-like symptoms as an H1N1 case, so everything you say is pretty meaningless. It’s a shame, too, because unlike the Spanish flu, we had the ability to test for a particular flu strain this time.

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      • Meaningless? I guess you are unaware that the tests did not pick up most cases of the H1N1 for the first months of it. Many cases were left undiagnosed because of that. The CDC was aware of it, but most doctors weren’t.

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          • HaHa! I like your sense of humour, IC. What is true is that the H1N1 was never a pandemic and most cases reported were relatively mild and required no unusual treatment other than rest and recovery.

          • As far as I know there were no false positives only false negatives. There were many more cases than reported. I should also add I believe there were more deaths too.

          • H1N1 is diagnosed based on symptoms alone not hard evidence . . . and WE get a finger wag that “correlation does not equal causation?!”

    • Then explain the recent ourbreaks in population areas that have 100% vaccination. Sarah is right. Herd immunity only applies to natural immunity.

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      • Well, for one thing, no area is 100% vaccinated. There are always people, for whatever reason aren’t vaccinated.
        There are multiple strains of flu going around right now. (I am reading reports that is season is very early, and hitting very hard.)
        There is a couple of days between vaccination and the time it takes effect. Some people are catching it during this time.
        No one said that flu vaccines are 100% effective.But, they do work.

        So I guess you never said this Sarah-
        Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist December 19, 2010 at 9:18 am

        Kasi, there is no such thing as herd immunity. It is a complete myth as is the belief that vaccination eliminated infectious disease. I am preparing a new blog post on just this issue so stay tuned. It is a hard thing to grasp, but our culture has been brainwashed about vaccinations

        This is just one example of you saying there is no herd immunity.

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          • First off, I have never said I agreed with what happened. No matter how I feel about vaccines, it was wrong to go against what this parent wanted for their child.

            That said, the flu vaccine does work. Naturalnews is to real science as to National Enquirer is to real journalism. I have studied the flu for ten years. I have talked to some of the best virologists and doctors in the world during my research, including Dr. Fauci and Dr. Fouchier. I have a good friend who is a doctor who advised 4 different presidents before he retired. I have spoken to John Barry, author of the Great Influenza. In years past I worked with the federal goverment to get our country ready for a pandemic. I know more about the flu, than almost anyone in the general public.
            The flu vaccines work. Tamiflu and the other anti-virals work. Are they perfect? No. But, they work and they keep people from dying.

          • Debbie, I am genuinely curious then, if the vaccine DOES work how has it impacted the death rate from flu (among those who are vulnerable, particularly the elderly). I am wondering if the rate has dropped substantially as a result (as one would imagine it would if it was truly effective).

            Also, even if it DOES work that is no reason to get everyone immunised. Most people get through the flu reasonably easy, and I think it’s probably better for one’s immune system to actually go through the flu, than to be injected with a vaccine (this may NOT be the case in someone elderly or immunocompromised, however, I will concede with that).

  14. Kelly, thank you for writing this. The misinformation spread on this blog is astounding. Pregnant woman are very susceptable to H1N1. I am beginning to believe they don’t even know the difference between correlation and causation. They go by “feelings” instead of scientific data. I even had them tell me there is no such thing as herd immunity. Oh well, when you believe Jenny Mccarthy has all the answers, what more can you say?

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      Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist January 1, 2013 at 10:33 am

      Herd immunity ONLY applies to natural immunity, NOT artificial, synthetic, inferior, and temporary vaccine induced immunity. THAT is what I said.

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  15. I agree that the child should have never been vaccinated without parental consent. If someone in a medical establishment did that, there would be hell to pay in lawsuits (don’t think the court would ever protect someone in medicine, only someone in the schools).

    However, I disagree with the widespread fear of vaccines that I see in the comments on this blog. I am a practicing obstetrician/gynecologist. In 2009, before I had the chance to be vaccinated, I contracted H1N1 from a patient who contracted it from her school-aged son. Prior to my diagnosis, I came into contact with ~30 more pregnant patients, some of whom also contracted H1N1. Some of them nearly died. Though H1N1 is simply a strain of influenza A, the “typical” flu, it has a predilection for children, the elderly, and most importantly in my profession, pregnant women. ICU admissions and mortality for pregnant women were high, especially during that first wave in 2009. Besides missing work due to high fevers and having to start on an inhaler (which I still have to use for persistent reactive airway disease), I was sad to think that I had exposed others to something so dangerous.

    Call the medical profession evil, but we are typically not children, pregnant, or elderly. We are not brainwashed. We are vaccinated for YOUR protection. Most people have never seen someone die of influenza, measles, or diptheria. This is due to vaccinations. But I have. And sadly we are seeing more and more children and pregnant patients present with these preventable diseases.

    Once again, I disagree that the little girl was vaccinated without consent. But I am ashamed that the people of our country are making such dire medical decisions based on media hype. Correlation is not causation, and the 1998 Lancet case series associating autism and vaccinations does not hold up (even if you believe Dr. Wakefield wasn’t a fraud, larger studies are contrary to his claims). I challenge you to search the medical literature – not the web – for solid evidence showing that vaccines cause autism: Pubmed.gov. As an influential blogger, please encourage reader investigation first before parents unknowingly put their children at risk of diseases that not only kill but also have long-term neurologic sequelae.

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    • I don’t know how long you have been an OB/Gyn, but I would highly encourage you to look into the TRUE healing of your patients with: nutrition, exercise, supplements and even Homeopathy…they are all very valuable tools…much more so than standard “conventional” pharma which typically suppresses our symptoms and does very little to heal or resolve the initial problems. Also, there are a fair number of vaccines that are made using the cells of dead babies (aborted fetal cells are used to grow the vaccine) for a complete list of those vaccines that do use aborted fetal cells please see the children of God for Life website as well as Sound Choice Pharmaceuticals headed up by DR. Teresa Deisher,PhD

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    • @ Kelly: You can talk until you’re blue in the face and you won’t change my mind about the flu vaccines. Never. I happen to be from the school of thought where HAVING the flu is like immune system nirvana. Nothing “innoculates” your body like illness, and then protects you for quite a long time.

      You did nothing to “protect” your patients from influenza by getting yourself shot full of chemicals and adjuvants and live viruses yada yada yada. That’s the biggest myth of all.

      I lost a grandchild last year 1 week after the Mom (my DIL) had a flu shot (at the behest of her mother, a nurse). I tried to talk her out of it, but I lost the argument based on scientific claptrap. Well, she is now looking at the other side of vaccinations, and at least that’s a start.

      It would be best for all concerned if the medical industry stopped spreading bogus, out-right lies.

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    • Kelly, it is a real insult to say we make our decisions based on media hype. We have spent years and many resources checking and rechecking facts. We are confident in what we have concluded. We are not fearful of vaccines, we are confident in our conclusions.

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  16. I think the authorities had better beware. Parents are bound to go postal, after a while. If we have been outraged by shootings, at schools, that may be nothing compared to what may come if children are continually given vaccines without parental consent, or especially if parents have consistently said no to vaccines, for their children. These school nurses, etc, are putting their lives on the line with their deceitful behavior.

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  17. I am allergic to egg whites, what if that child or any child they force these shots onto were to be allergic to anything in those shots? How would they excuse themselves then?

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  18. Lee Foley via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    B.S. What gives them the right to FORCE the vax onto the child without parental consent. Sounds like a violation of the constituion as it violates Religious freedom.

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  19. I have been politically active for years, and (we homeschool, homebirth, no vax), but the truth is the only way to change things is for every person to get to know their congressional representatives. I call my state and federal reps about a dozen times a year. And surprisingly they do listen. But that is really all we have left and it really is a lot– if people would start using it. Make your voice heard to the elected officials and to all your friends to do the same. Voters speak even louder than money most of the time.

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  20. Heather

    This article did NOT come to the conclusion that it’s better to homeschool. It does appear however, that a lot of folks are taking matters into their own hands when their hands get tied so to speak. The example here being when you sign a “no vaccination” form and they get it anyway. Those are still OUR children, not the govt’s. As of yet, anyway.. Homeschoolers do NOT alienate their children from society, a common misconception. There are lots of homeschooling communities that we bring our children to for socializing.

    You are so right tho when you say we need to stand up for our rights. But most folks believe the junk that is touted out there so there aren’t enough to change the system. We are a relatively small number of people. Thankfully, resources like the internet will hopefully one day enlighten enough folks out there to make a difference.

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    • If we just stood up to the school system instead of pulling the kids out it than we have a bigger voice. It does not teach our children to defend themselves when you shelter them from the real world. I get it. You can socialize your children with classes outside the home and that they are not “alienated” from society. I just don’t think the way to approach the vaccination issue is to run away and not deal with it and hope that someday it will just disappear. Instead of avoiding the problem use some energy to educate others on why it is not a good idea to vaccinate.

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      • Heather, it does no good to jump in the sewer to try to make it clean water. There are a whole lot more reasons to avoid pubic school than just vaccination. I’m not throwing my kids to the wolves in order to try to take out their teeth.

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      • I refuse to apologize to anyone for “sheltering” my children by homeschooling them. In fact, I believe it is my responsibility, right, and privilege to shelter my children from all things I, in my wisdom as their mother, deem harmful to them. They are my biggest blessings in life – why would I want to miss out on these years with them? Why wouldn’t I be willing to sacrifice my plans to give them a better future? Why wouldn’t I do everything in my power to protect their bodies from harmful chemicals? My husband and I love them more than any other human being on earth could possibly love them — who better to determine the “best interests” of our children — their parents who live, work, breathe and would give our lives for them, or an increasingly hostile, Godless government that truly cares only that they grow up to be good taxpayers!

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  21. Jeremy 'n Bonny via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    They will have to break into my house and arrest us for that to happen. Hopefully we’ll be out of the country before it comes to this.

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  22. There are great schools online, for all ages of children including children ready to
    go to college! You do not need to attend government schools ever, there is absolutely
    no reason to. As for children needing further outlets, that’s what dance classes, soccer etc are for, children all over the world attend dance etc after school hours, there is no reason for that to change if you home school or join an online school. Stop grieving for America and take action which means starting each day standing up for your rights and freedom no matter what, it will be uncomfortable at times but you and your family and your country are worth it. The Constitution and Bill of Rights stand as long as we honor them and we demand those we elect to public office honor them, we as a people of 305 million are the voice and government of this country! What do we want for ourselves and our children that is the only question we need to ask ourselves and then honor the answer! I home schooled from baby to graduating university. Not to mention extra curricular activities and internships etc. I started 20 years ago and it is better today than ever! There are so many schools and resources online it is mind boggling! Home schooled kids are actively recruited, why because they are creative, independent and think for themselves, they are capable of critical thought and entrepreneurship. It has been said by many that they are the future and I for one thank-god for them just for that reason. Home schooled families have become a voice of freedom in this country, please join the movement! Good luck to all, as I told my kids never give up who you are, your freedom or your dreams!

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  23. Christie Polaski Riopelle via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Not surprising coming from NY. I saw John Stossel couldn’t even open up a lemonade stand there due to so much regulations

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  24. In Australia, it only seems difficult to get kids into primary school who haven’t been vaccinated (I actually vaccinated mine before I knew better so I don’t know how easy it is to get out of it). We are supposed to provide the school with a “Vaccination Certificate” to prove what they’ve had (I have heard that it’s not THAT hard to get some sort of exemption though… I just don’t know the steps). To enrol my kids in their secondary school I did have to fill in an online form with all their vaccinations and dates, BUT I didn’t need to provide “proof”, so really, I could just have filled in ANYTHING and it would have gone through. I have no idea how hard it is to go to university without being vaccinated, but I do know that when I went (quite a few years back now) I was never asked.

    The only time I’ve ever been asked about vaccinations is when going on my kids’ school camp, because on the form it asks for date of last tetanus immunisation. I don’t want to confess that my last tetanus jab was in 1985 (when I was 11!) so I just make up some random date in the last 10 years (no, I don’t feel it’s bad to lie under the circumstances)!!

    Fortunately, I don’t work in the medical field, as I believe there’s a lot more pressure to be vaccinated if you do (even mandatory, I think!!).

    I also wonder what those of you who don’t get vaccinated do if you want to go overseas to a country where you’re supposed to get vaccinated before visiting. My husband had to work in Ghana for a few weeks, and he had to have a series of vaccinations, and I was under the impression they were mandatory (I haven’t been to any countries where vaccs are required so I wouldn’t know). I am wondering if you HAVE to get them or if you can get some sort of exemption??

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  25. Rebecca Flannery via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    Speaking as a homeschooler, we are deliberately blind if we believe that homeschooling is going to solve this problem. If we allow the federal government to infringe on the rights of parents in this area, they will not stop there. They will outlaw homeschooling and anything else they choose. We must stand up and fight for the parental rights amendment, and for the extremely limited government that our founders intended.

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  26. I am curious as to how this article came to the conclusion that it is better to homeschool. My kids are much better off going to public school than If I were to educate them @ home. They would not listen to me and I would not have the patience to give them their lessons. The public school system where I live is wonderful. The teachers are dedicated to their students and have a degree in education–a lot of them even have a masters degree. I have filled out religious exempt forms
    for my children when it comes to enrolling them in school. I have never had a problem with the fact that I don’t vaccinate my children. I don’t think alienating them from society is going to solve the problem that our gov’t is owned by big business. We need to stand up and say no more. I won’t vac., I won’t fall for conventional treatments when it comes to our health. If enough people stand up for their health than it won’t be a” mainstream” way of life to vaccinate.

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    • Your children don’t listen to you because you’re not being a parent. The gubment has scared the pants off of young parents by telling you that social services will take your kids away if you spank them or whatever. What a load of garbage. Kids need discipline and they need boundaries, and if you aren’t setting those boundaries they are gonna walk all over you. That makes it your fault, and sending them to public school will only worsen that situation because you lose more control (if you had/took any in the first place).

      Not to mention the fact that if your children are in a public school, there is a good chance that a teacher will, at some point, recommend them to be seen by a doctor for ADHD or some other ficticious “disease” and that child will end up on a mind-altering drug. Think that sounds crazy? Then you need to go to youtube and check out the video called marketing of madness and a few others which make no bones about the fact that psychiatry is a sham profession making psuedo diagnoses on a more than regular basis – and they are creating havoc all along the way.

      And possibly homeschooling doesn’t solve every problem, I don’t recall anyone here saying it did. But you can save yourself a lot of hassle and grief by avoiding the pitfalls that go along with public “schooling”. These are now laptop schools, and they are discouraging the teaching of cursive handwriting. They want kids to print everything. It’s just ridiculous. I remember eons ago when I was in school, learning to string a bunch of letters together was a monumental achievement in my life and I was so proud of myself. Handwriting in cursive fashion also helps neurological development. But today they don’t care about that, they just want everything to be fast, easy and online. I see nothing caring and instructive about that for a future generation.

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  27. Stefanie Gordon via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Yeah Lacey Gray they should. And the public school way overstepped their boundaries. The mom never signed a consent form and her daughter was still vaccinated! Outrageous and ludicrous!

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  28. I believe that if you have a religious exemption outlined in your contract prior to enlisting that it will be honored… but if this is not agreed upon before hand in writing, they can do whatever they want, since you are gov’t property. It is possible that if a state of emergency is declared they MIGHT not have to honor it. If you refuse, they can discharge you, but you won’t have a “dishonorable” discharge on your record since that was what was agreed on in the contract before you enlisted and they had knowledge of your stance on vaccinations prior. Your chaplain should back you up on this. Possible they won’t enlist you for this reason, but that’s another story.

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    • The will not enlist you unless you are fully vaccinated or are not willing to become fully vaccinated BECAUSE you are not deploy-able if you are not fully vaccinated. If you become allergic to a vaccination or have a reaction to a vaccination you will be medically discharged because you are not deploy-able. If you suddenly decide you don’t want to be vaccinated any further by the military you will most likely be dishonorably discharged.

      We watched this happened to a new pilot friend of ours. The military had just spent over 3 million dollars training the new pilot and when she got her annual flu shot she had an allergic reaction and was medically discharged in 3 months.

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  29. We have always homeschooled our children and do not vaccinate either. I would do both regardless, which is good since I live in a state with only medical vaccine exemptions for school admittance, which schools will not accept even for the rare parents who manage to obtain them.

    For the commenter above, I have single parent homeschooling friends, too. Where there’s a will, there’s a way, and you should be able to find info online on solo homeschooling. Also, try to find local homeschool groups.

    I want to share a story about my friend, who as a thirty something adult gave birth in a local hospital. (I have never hospital birthed, by the way, so my children and I thankfully have been spared the trauma inflicted upon mothers and babies due to the routine “care.”)

    My friend was hated by the staff because she advocated for herself and refused the various things they wanted to do to her, and at one point she was arguing with a nurse, who wanted to give my friend a rubella vaccine. While my friend repeatedly refused, the nurse actually jabbed the needle in her arm and administered the vaccine anyway! I would think my friend had grounds to sue over that, but she did not.

    With the way they sometimes treat adults, it’s no surprise what they do to children.

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  30. I don’t know how the judge could make that decision. If the school district was sending home permission slips, then it could not have been the emergency the CDC said it was. Therefore, his judgment would be incorrect. It didn’t fall under any emergency situation.

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  31. This is just disgusting…Especially considering the swine flu “epidemic” was nothing more than a storm in a teacup! I remember the Australian government apparently got enough flu shots to vaccinate EVERY AUSTRALIAN! What a waste of money… I certainly wasn’t getting myself or my kids vaccinated (fortunately they didn’t go to my kids’ school to vaccinate). I do remember my kids getting all paranoid about it and telling me “millions of people had died”. I laughed and showed them the statistics, and proved that more people die of the regular flu each year than died from swine flu! And yet, pretty much each time someone actually died of it, it was reported in the newspaper (I’d love to see them report every single flu death from the regular flu each year).

    It just enrages me how difficult it is to have your kids unvaccinated these days! I have to admit, at the time my kids were little I got them vaccinated as, although I was worried about some of the stuff I’d heard about vaccination, I still believed it was necessary (darn my education!). It’s only been in recent years I’ve come to realise not just how unnecessary most vaccinations are, BUT also how dangerous they can be (and what toxic rubbish is put in them!). The number of vaccines has also been increasing ridiculously!! I remember thinking how stupid it was to have to vaccinate a newborn for Hep B when I’d managed to live my entire life without the vaccine. I’m still annoyed that my youngest two had their Hep B vaccinations at birth (I wish I had kicked up a stink at the time, because it stressed me out no end knowing that my newborns were being vaccinated for something that I thought was ridiculous and that I would never vaccinate myself against). Well, live and learn… my kids will never again have another vaccination while they’re living under my roof (unless they’re adults and make the choice to do it themselves).

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    • So I guess all those people that died from it, and those that are left crippled by it were all just figments of the grieving families imigination? If you actually believe that more people die from regular flu, than you either have a reading comprehension problem, or don’t know how to read statistics. The number of yearly flu deaths (mainly in the elderly and very young) averages around 1000 a year. If you see a number larger than that it is because cases like pnemonia are included in it. The swine flu ended thousands of lives of mostly younger people.

      My info is obtained from the Heart and Lung Association.

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      • 1000 a year? Sorry, but according to the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm in the US the average number of people who die is about 36,000 a year AND it’s only an estimate, because flu related deaths in people over the age of 18 do not have to be reported to the CDC by the state! And yes, many die from complications related to the flu. That doesn’t change the fact that if they hadn’t caught the flu, they probably wouldn’t have died… ergo they still died as a result of flu infection.

        I’m in Australia where the number of flu deaths a year is around 3500 (from an influenza website: “In Australia, influenza on average causes 3,500 deaths, about 18,000 hospitalisations and 300,000 GP consultations each year.”), and yet the number of people who actually died of swine flu was significantly lower (here’s a quote from a government website: “In 2010, Swine flu (Influenza A – H1N1) was the underlying cause of 19 deaths in Australia, in 2009 there were 77 deaths. “). So don’t try and tell me that “so many more” people died from H1N1 than die from the regular flu.

        I’m fairly sure my “reading comprehension” skills are high enough to have interpreted those numbers correctly.

        Obviously my heart goes out to those who did die and their families. My point was that there was a ridiculous amount of hysteria over this particular strain of flu which wasn’t warranted.

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        • I am as anti-vaccine as they come and the H1N1 was only a pandemic because they changed the criteria just so they could declare it such, but just because you have good reading comprehension doesn’t mean what you are reading is true. That figure is an estimate and a flawed one at that:

          Just how many deaths are directly associated with the flu? According to Peter Doshi in the British Medical Journal:

          ‘… according to the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), “influenza and pneumonia” took 62,034 lives in 2001 – 61,777 of which were attributed to pneumonia and 257 to flu, and in only 18 cases was flu virus positively identified. Between 1979 and 2002, NCHS data show an average 1348 flu deaths per year (range 257 to 3006).’

          So the real statistics show a far lower number of people dying from the flu with only a handful of cases being definitely identified as even having the influenza virus. 257 deaths from the flu in 2001 is only a fraction of the often cited 36,000. The CDC directly admits to using this model because most cases aren’t even tested to see if the flu virus was even involved.

          ‘In a written statement, CDC media relations responded to the diverse statistics: “Typically, influenza causes death when the infection leads to severe medical complications.” And as most such cases “are never tested for virus infection … CDC considers these [NCHS] figures to be a very substantial undercounting of the true number of deaths from influenza. Therefore, the CDC uses indirect modeling methods to estimate the number of deaths associated with influenza.”’

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          • Denise,

            I too did my research at the time this “horrible swine flu” was breaking. I WAS a physical therapist in a large acute care hospital. Turns out the “new” definition of a global pandemic was made 1 month prior to the outbreak. Hmm isn’t that convenient! I lost my job I refused the Jab!

  32. Patricia Dance via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Public education or government run schools are all about indoctrination and creating an uninformed electorate incapable of independent thought. I homeschooled my two grown daughters and am a private English tutor to the homeschool community- these students can carry a conversation with me about Thomas Jefferson, Longfelow, George Washinton, etc. They are head and shoulders above their brainwashed public school peers- I am thrilled to see so many home school parents on this face book page!!!! Your children give me hope for my country!!!

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  33. Lyndsey Stark Stang via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    What’s also scary is that with the increase og homeschooling, there will be more laws to force children into public school to vaccinate and dumb them down. Best bet is to make sure your kid doesn’t get a SSN and you get ouy of the cities. It has been advised by those in the military that we need to leave the cities.

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  34. Sara Pierce Koonce via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    This is sad b/c you would probably have grounds to sue if your child’s picture was printed or used and you had not signed the photograph waivers that they give you for school and other activities. Glad that we homeschool!

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  35. Laura Cazin Phillips via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    My daughter went to UF and now at UCF with vaccine exemptions! So yes it can be done! We had no problems. Now what the future holds- I don’t know.

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  36. Shannon Rice via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    My homeschooled daughter has a job working with the public and she’s only 16. No issues, and I’ve noticed many public schoolers who are shy, self absorbed and outright unfriendly.

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  37. Amanda Carnes via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    My homeschooled kids are “socialized” with people of all ages. Homeschooled doesn’t mean we never leave our home. C’mon it’s almost 2013, they do some lessons on computer, are I sports, scouting, religion class, and have plenty of time for friends, family, and their own interests. Our rights are being ripped away one by one,religious and parental.

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  38. M
    The beauty of homeschooling, is you can do it at any time of the day. The problem is being too tired after working all day. The other thing is the hours of instruction are profoundly less than at school, because you can cover so much more ground with only one student. (also personal tutoring can be more effective) When you think about it, most of a student’s days at school are taken up with time consuming things such as bathroom breaks, phys ed, recess, lunch, to and from school, and “lining up” for same. It all adds up to a full day there, not at home.

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  39. Liann Schick Slotsve via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Wow, Alicia, that is pretty closed minded. I have several friends, in their 40′s, who were homeschooled. They are the most outgoing, successful, giving, kind, social, should I go on??? That statement right there shows what you didn’t learn in school!

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  40. This sucks they could have given that little girl HIV/AIDS this was just as bad as rape. I hate this happen .How nasty is that. PPL have a right to marry the same sex but not sue when their child is violated somethings really off with the moral standard in this Country. Just my personal view.

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  41. There are so many skills that kids need that they develop by being in public schools. Learning diversity and the ability to work with and communicate with others much different than you start very young. I worry about a generation that is shielded instead of taught how to deal with differences.

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  42. There are so many skills that kids need that they develop by being in public schools. Learning diversity and the ability to work with and communicate with others much different than you start very young. I worry about a generation that is shielded instead of taught how to deal with differences.

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    • Actually, home educated children score way ahead of public school children on socialization tests! In general, kids at home spend more time with a variety of ages as opposed to public school kids who are with their own age group all day long. Additionally, kids at home tend to spend more time on the subjects and activities that interest them, thus developing the skills they might need in the future.

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    • My children are articulate, well spoken, polite, learning Latin and Spanish, great problem solvers . . . I could go on. I can say the same of the kids in our HUGE social homeschool group. There is no way a public school – read public indoctrination – could do a better job with my boys than I am doing. Thank you very much!

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    • I have noticed that most public school kids stay within their own age group and dress the same outside of school. Lots of great kids, but I find much more diversity among the homeschool crowd. The kids will talk to kids and adults of all ages and just seem more free to be themselves instead of worrying about what (and who) is cool. They communicate well without a lot of slang or text lingo. Incidentally, diversity includes the homeschooled kids.
      I don’t think homeschool kids are shielded from things, they are just going a different way. Think of it this way – if you had a job where your boss thought he owned you, only offered fabricated foods and punished you for not following the party line, would you look for a new job? That would be taking a different path too.

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    • I wanted to add – there are quite a few homeschooled kids who started out in public school. They ended up being homeschooled because they had special needs – some are mildly autistic, some excel in one subject but struggle in another. Some kids excel in all subjects but didn’t want to be with all older kids. These kids are diverse but the school would not or was not able to include them. Public schools are all about textbook diversity and sameness in the student body. That’s the mentality that carries over into the one size fits all vax schedule.

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  43. Laura Jewell via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Ted Byrnes, I would think if it is a state college, the same vaccination exemption standards for public schools would apply. Am I wrong?

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    • Every state has different vaccination laws, but in Texas, where we live, philosophical exemptions are honored for both college and elementary schools. You simply need to sign a form.

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  44. Celia Zimmerman via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    I guess that I will be contacting the school then to find out when the nurses are there and I will be instructing my children to kick, scream, and bite if someone tries to put a needle in them.

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  45. I told my 5 y.o. that if someone tries to give her a shot to always say “NO! Ask my mom!” I also wrote on her form regarding medical consent that absolutely no vaccines no matter what. I would also keep her home. How do you homeschool though if you are a single parent?

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    • For younger kids like yours, you can find someone else, friend or relative, to watch the child during the day and homeschool them or obtain childcare for them and you homeschool them in the evening. For a child this young, it doesn’t take that long each day to teach them. You’re one on one with them, not like in a classroom with one teacher with 20-25 kids.

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    • I homeschooled as a single mom for several years. It can be done. :) The idea of homschooling is not to make home a public school but to have school at home. You can do it however you need to as long as they are learning. You have to do homework at night anyway.

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  46. Laura Kockelkorn via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    I’m an American in The Netherlands.. if you don’t want vax then you say “no thank you” THAT IS IT! You can also ask them to never ask you again and when you send your kids to school, they don’t need any records of vax either. Probably the #1 reason we live here.

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  47. Patricia Dance via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    All you homeschool moms- you are the hope of our country. Have your children read McGuffeys Original books published in 1839- an outstanding way for your children to learn what America was like under fredom.

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    • I don’t know if they always are but right now the electronic versions of the McGuffeys are free on Amazon. Even if you don’t have a Kindle you can download an app to read them on your computer.

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  48. Patricia Dance via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    We are very rapidly moving toward communism- all the signs are around us- but no one knows history so they don’t see it. I grieve for my country.

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    • What communism? You mean corporate communism? When I go to the ballot box I’m voting for someone to represent ME, my family, my neighbors, not Eli Lilly, GlaxoSmithKline and Monsanto. I want our government back – the one that has the best interest for its citizens and hasn’t been corrupted by the greed of our lawmakers beholden to corporations. Corporations are running the country – obviously.

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  49. Nathan Fischer's Eider Janes via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    I see a violent future ahead of us. Soon people are gonna be trapped in a corner and violence will ensue.

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  50. We homeschool too, for that reason and more, but my husband’s work is threatening termination if he doesn’t get the flu shot. So far his plan is to ignore them… we’ll see.

    Slightly off topic, but does anybody know if there is a way to opt of military vaccinations? My daughter would really like to join the air force, but we’re worried about vaccinations…

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    • I work for the VA and from what I know there is no way to avoid getting military vaccinations. When people enlist there bodies are the property of the US government (serious statement). Unless he knows someone who will just sign saying he got it but not inoculate him. :0/

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    • Indeed. Once you are enlisted, you are literally the property of the government, and must undergo not only any required vaccinations, but also any experimental ones they may be testing at the time. My husband got to be one of the first guinea pigs for the newest anthrax vaccines during the first Gulf War. He was sick a loooong time.
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      • I believe that if you have a religious exemption outlined in your contract prior to enlisting that it will be honored… but if this is not agreed upon before hand in writing, they can do whatever they want, since you are gov’t property. It is possible that if a state of emergency is declared they MIGHT not have to honor it. If you refuse, they can discharge you, but you won’t have a “dishonorable” discharge on your record since that was what was agreed on in the contract before you enlisted and they had knowledge of your stance on vaccinations prior. Your chaplain should back you up on this. Possible they won’t enlist you for this reason, but that’s another story.

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  51. Heather Elizabeth via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Immoral and criminal. How can they legally get away with this? Do we all need to leave the country in order to survive???

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  52. Heather Elizabeth via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Immoral and criminal. How can they legally get away with this? Do we all need to leave the country in order to survive???

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  53. Lynn Myslinski Ashburn via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Unbelievable. I wonder if they would let someone do this to their kids. I mean they are opting out of Obama care….

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  54. Jenni Shaver via Facebook December 30, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Opt out of government run schools for an additional safety measure but still, no guarantees it seems these days

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  55. This bears repeating after such a blatant assault on parental rights, please inform yourselves and your congressmen about the Parental Rights Amendment. It is the ONLY antidote to this. Think federal law trumping state’s rights is grievous? It “ain’t” nothing compared to international law trumping US federal law. This will be our lot if the UN Treaty on the Rights of the Child is not stopped before it is ratified. (Don’t be fooled by the sweet title.)
    Children are a precious gift, and parents have the most vested interest in their well-being. Not the state.

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  56. As a homeschool Aunt, and a former public school teacher, I would urge all parents to investigate the possibility of a home education for their children. The materials available are limitless and many can be had for little or no cost. The internet is a wonderful resource. In addition to avoiding many of the pitfalls of our educational system, it is one of the sweetest ways imaginable to get to know your children. Will there be problems and difficulties? You bet! Will there be days you’ll want to tear your hair out? Absolutely! But the joys and rewards are enormous. Anything worthwhile requires sacrifice. Sitting Bull said “Let us put our minds together and see what kind of a life we can create for our children.” While it may not work for everyone, I believe home education is one of the best ways we can create a life for our children.

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  57. Next week my daughter will begin what will be, thankfully, her last 5 months in the public school system in CA and I can’t tell you how elated I am. Sure, its an exciting time, with her graduation and upcoming plans for college, but my true elation comes from the fact that every morning when she walks out the door, I won’t have to worry if today is the day that the CA government will exercise their right to vaccinate any child over 12 years of age for sexually transmitted diseases. I wouldn’t have any warning that this is coming because the school wouldn’t notify us. They don’t have to.

    To prepare for this we have had dinner-time conversations of what we want her to do should the forced vaccinations begin. There are 3000 kids in her school, so it would take some time to get to all of them. It sounds ridiculous, but we have given her 3 different plans for getting the hell out of there should she hear other kids talk about being given a shot. She knows the dangers of Gardisil and not just because we’ve told her about it, but because she’s researched it herself. She also understands that the pretty picture of the government that her teachers have painted for the last 12 years isn’t completely accurate.

    Is it sad that we have to have a plan to help her escape school if this situation arises? Of course it is. But if we continue to look at the world through rose-colored glasses, then we will end up entrapped, imprisoned and of course, vaccinated.

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    • Oh gosh, they could vaccinate her without your consent because she’s over 12?? Wouldn’t SHE have to sign consent then?? I don’t know how it works over there. I DO know that they vaccinate girls her with Gardasil when they’re in year 7, BUT they still send home permission slips to the parents (when my daughter brings hers home I will NOT be signing it, and in the interests of making sure she doesn’t “accidentally” get it, I will probably keep her home on the day too!) It horrifies me that you wouldn’t have to give your consent but that they could vaccinate her anyway!!

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  58. To D

    We ALL have someone to deal with who’s on the uninformed side! And my conspiracy theory is that we ARE tattooed – through vaccinations. Just saying.
    I was able to convince my DIL to allow me to homeschool my grandkids but she’s still convinced she has to have the kids vaccinated. It wretches my heart and soul everytime they go in. I can only pray for their protection.
    Homeschooling is so rewarding and so much can be taught through “games” in our everyday lives. You can get any number of curriculums, order on the net. I’m a catholic and therefore get mine from Seton in VA. Kindergarten was $250, 1st grade was $500. Instead of using the workbooks, I photocopy the pages and I can use them again for the next child. They send you instructions etc, and an 800 number to call anytime for help. A spanish friend learned english by homeschooling her kids! Win Win.
    There is sooo much to be concerned about in public schooling- not the least of which is vaccinations and mass shootings, but there’s the bullying, the liberal teaching, the peer pressure, the worry of abuse. The world has changed and not for the better I’m afraid. We need to take appropriate steps. Good luck!

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  59. If we don’t know our rights – or assert them in a timely manner – we have no rights. The govt will not protect our rights out of the goodness of their greedy, controlling hearts. There is no excuse for ignorance, and we cannot assume that the information we get from newspapers, magazines, books, tv, Internet, or the radio are true. There are people who profit from our ignorance, and will feed us falsehoods to keep us in line. Buddha said: “Believe nothing. No matter who said it, no matter where you read it, no matter if I said it. Believe something only if it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” We need to be guided by the truth in our hearts.

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  60. Maybe some of you who are already homeschooling your children could give some information about how you got started, what it took to get started, who you contacted, what the costs are, etc. I k now each State has different rules, but it might be helpful to post some of the most basic elements for those who might be teetering on the fence about homeschooling.

    My daughter-in-law is thinking about homeschooling my grandchildren (the oldest is only 4 right now) but she has no idea how to get started. What’s worse is that my DIL’s mother is a nurse, as well as a part-time school nurse of all things, and she is making it a very difficult decision for my son and DIL to make. We are always on opposite sides of every situation and it’s maddening beyond belief. My DH and I are into alternative ideas all across the board and the in-laws are totally submersed in the current dogma about medicine, schools, the SAD diet – you name it and they bought into it without doing a bit of research into why it might be better to avoid some of those things. I just can’t believe that grown people can be so enamored of the current policies, but they sure are. My motto is Question Authority – and don’t do anything that doesn’t feel right in your gut. Intuition is a wonderful thing.

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    • This is outrageous!!!!!!!!

      As to homeschooling speak to local parents that homeschool. There is great book in your local library titled The Well Trained Mind : A guide to classical education at home.

      There is also a no cost (or you can simply purchase from them if you prefer) Online Public school option that bypasses all the laws in the states by being ‘public school” that is great especially for beginners or those that want to start NOW. They are a good program with help and support great materials and totally free.

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    • http://www.hslda.org/ This is a link to Home School Legal Defense Association, they can give you the correct information concerning the laws for your area.

      You can also go online and look for the department of non-public education for your state.
      Local school systems have been known to give inaccurate information to those seeking to homeschool.

      You can use a wide variety of methods to home school, if money is limited you can use your local library, and buy books at yardsales and thrift stores, you also may be able to borrow books from other homeschoolers or sometimes people will give books away when they are done with them.
      Also the internet has many resources, you can print out worksheets or you can watch how to video’s or documentaries, etc.
      You can also purchase full curriculum sets for each grade levels.
      Some publishers for homeschool books are
      Abeka
      BobJones
      Christian Liberty Press
      Rod & Staff
      The Robinson Curriculum *this is everything except math all on cd’s, they recommend saxon math.
      The Well Trained Mind, (is a book based on the classical method, it is tedious and time consuming but if you are able to do everything listed every day your child will have learned a lot of material)
      Konos (this is a three or four volume set that covers everything even some math, but they recommend using saxon math, and math-it.
      You can find many more resources in Mary Pride’s books, Cathy Duffy’s books, Dr Raymond and Ruth Moore’s books, and just by talking to other homeschoolers.

      Also if you are just starting out focusing on the simple basics will work just fine.
      Like learning to count, learnig simple math facts, colours, shapes, street signs, basic phonics, beginning reading (read a lot of books on different subjects) listen to books on tape or cd’s, take field trips to the park to learn to identify different trees, plants etc, plant a garden if possible every year and in that way teach science, teach your child to cook, and that is both science and math,

      In my opinion it is a lot easier to homeschool than it is to send your children away to school not knowing if they will make it home safely or not. Not too mention the fact being if your children are at home you can control to a large extent what they are exposed to while they are younger, as they get older and you give them more freedom you can’t really monitor what they are exposed to, but at least for a time you can.

      HSLDA is the best place to get good answers for anyone considering home education.
      Then just google information about homeschooling or home-education and you will find a lot of material, maybe too much.

      You can’t really do every single thing you’ll find even if you want to because there are just not enough hours in a day. So just concentrate on the basics first, because with a good foundation your child is given the freedom to learn basically anything at their own pace.

      Is is also good to belong to a homeschool friendly church because that gives more opportunity for group activities and also for encouragement when you get discouraged because your child doesn’t do something on the schedule that is customary for kids their age, or when they excell faster than you thought was possible.

      *some kids will learn faster than others, and some will learn slower than others even when they are in the best learning enviroment possible. That does not mean that they will not learn or that they will not “catch up” to their peers because more than likely they will in time provided they do not have a real medical condition that limits their abilities.

      HTHS

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    • D.~if your DIL wants to homeschool, i applaud her! we have been at it for 11 years now and i don’t regret a single minute! the first thing she needs to do is get on the website for HSLDA (Homeschool Legal Defense Association) and find out what the laws are for homeschooling in her state. it is a WONDERFUL resource, and i highly encourage them to become members if they do decide to move forward w/homeschooling. have her check out books by Christopher Klicka out of the library. My inlaws are pretty mainstream in their ideas as well (MIL is an RN, and several MD’s around too) but we have managed to home birth and home school. one option for your DIL is to tell the inlaws that they are just going to try it for preschool and kindergarten, to see how it goes. i bet they will be so impressed by how well the kids do, that they might give their blessing. she can check her area for homeschool fellowships/co-ops for other moms to connect with. many groups have a mentor program, so she could ask questions and get support from a veteran. good luck to you all. xo

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    • You might have your DIL contact / look into HSLDA as well as the Gifted Homeschoolers Forum. Both are excellent resources for getting started in homeschooling. Its a lot of really hard work and commitment but it does pay off.

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      • Thank you very much, Barbara, K, and Bronwyn. I think all of that will be very valuable information for me to pass on to her. I knew if I asked here I’d get some great help and answers! I was right, too . . . ;-)

        P.S. I’m going to copy all of the information and give it to her, and thank so much again. I really appreciate the input.

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        • *Local school systems have been known to give inaccurate information to those seeking to homeschool.
          This is true – I think many people in the public schools just don’t know the homeschool options and laws. In our state, the classes offered – through public schools – to homeschooled kids are not allowed to advertise in any way. The state is worried these alternative programs will pull kids out of the traditional model.
          The thing my kids like best about homeschooling is the wide variety of learning experiences offered. My 6th grader took a HS electronics class last year, for example.
          In our area, we have 3 junior colleges that take 11-12 graders. They offer scholarships and the kids leave with their HS diploma and some college credits that can transfer. It’s a great deal!
          I do think finding a local HS group is key in starting and finding out what’s available.

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    • D. I am a homeschooling mom of 3, with one now married. It was absolutely wonderful to have that time with them and teach them about EVERYTHING! I highly recommend it and there are many good books. Read anything by John Taylor Gatto that tells what is really going on in our public schools. I also go to a website, http://www.nogreaterjoy.org and get good ideas. The main thing is to make learning fun! Know your kids and find out what gets them excited! I also am a healthcare worker who just recently quit after 29 yrs cause I refused the flu vax and didn’t want to be punished by wearing a mandantory mask for my whole shift. 29 yrs of loyalty and good hard work, and they forced my hand over a flu vaccine! Pitiful! Also, look for homeschool support groups in your area. That really helps to know others are doing it and have the same goals. God bless and hope this vaccine insanity stops soon.

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    • For anyone interested in homeschooling please go to http://www.hslda.org you can look through the page and find out your states homeschool laws. This should be your first step! Some states are much more relaxed than others.

      Homeschoolers come from all walks of life and do so for many different reasons. My MIL was not very happy about our choice but she got over it. The proof is your children, they will see them growing and learning. We are into our 2nd school year of homeschooling with one first grader and two kinders. It’s a wonderful life and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

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    • You might want to look at Easy Peasy Homeschool. The website is allinonehomeschool dot wordpress dot com. This is a completely free Christian curriculum.

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  61. How much more will it take for parents to realize that the public school system is no place for their children? Please research home education by talking to parents who are doing it! You may be surprised how doable it really is.

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  62. The mom did not do her due diligence. She should have kept her child home that day–for she is only a kindergardener and can not stand up for herself. The nurse thought she was doing her job–she is brainwashed into giving the vacs it’s not her fault. The nurse may have not known of any paperwork or just assumed that she was given parental consent. In my opinion, I think she might have been a bit too eager to sue the state when she should have been more proactive in keeping her child from being vaccinated. Even a note stating “NO VACCINATION UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES” would have been a better way send her child to school. The general public (including the medical professionals) live under the impression that the Gov’t takes care of us and they know best- they have no clue about the reality of what it’s all about–big Pharma and $$$$.

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    • The mom could have placed her child into a sandwich board sign with big red letters, and that nurse would have vaccinated the girl anyhow. That’s just the mentality of the medical gestapo/bureacracy today. They think parents don’t have rights. The bigger question is – do they? Apparently not, according the judge who wrote that awful, circular thinking decision. The gubment would like nothing better than to take charge of all the children – and they’re doing it in very subtle ways. Think about it – our gubment is broke and yet each State is encouraging young parents to sign up for SNAP and WIC and all the other programs. Who will pay for this? The reason they want young families signed up is so they can keep track of them. If you think this isn’t the same truth as what’s happening in public schools with lunches and vaccinations and strip searches, you’re living in a multitude of disarranged ideas. The only thing american’s don’t have, yet, are numbers tattooed inside our forearms. And that is likely coming soon.

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      • oh yah. i could have got wic. i looked at what i had to do to get it. dr visits. no way didnt get it. med dr are not of God. its mans mad science. ansd the nurse is at fault she could wake up and stop being brainwashed like many of us. i find people just like being sheeple

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    • @ D & Heather,
      Please becareful about generalizing Heathcare professionals and what they do and don’t know or believe, because you obviously don’t work in the field. I have been a nurse for nearly 10 years and I speak for myself and the dozen of nurses and a few doctors that I work with on a daily basis, some of us are very well aware, believe and prefer a natural approach to medicine. Nurses more so than doctors, from my experience. Many of us don’t even get vaccinated ourselves because we are VERY well aware of the side effects. In a lot of cases natural medicine has been so demonized nobody wants to hear it (natural approach), they just want a pill and a quick fix. That’s our society. I do not agree with this child being vaccinated against her mothers wishes that was definately wrong. I don’t know if the system they had in placed failed or the school staff didn’t care enough to check for permission slips, but please just don’t lump us all together, its simply not true. That mind set only makes our jobs harder especially when you enter a field with the mind set to really help and advocate for those who can’t take care of themselves.

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      • @ MlK: No one was suggesting that all nurses and doctors have the same opinion as the next person. The majority, however, are pushing vaccinations and are absolutely offended if you even question them about the insert papers or the adjuvants or anything about putting some time between shots or about not taking clustered shots (like MMR, DPT, etc). And no, I’m not a nurse, but I did used to be in the field enough to know the score. I did medical transcription for a pediatric clinic from 1988 until 1999, and then I typed at home for them until just last year.

        Most of the nurses (I don’t know about doctors) that I know, personally, who do not believe the dogma, have gotten into another line or have gone to work in other areas where they can use their nursing skills. That is a choice only the person can make – and you could make it, too.

        Why should telling the truth about this incident make your job harder? If you really want to help people, study nutrition because that’s where the real cures are, not in drugs. Sorry, but I just don’t buy into the pill for every ill mentality. If you prefer the “natural approach” to medicine, you’re not in the right place. That’s just my opinion but hospital settings are not the place to be if you want “natural” to be the overriding mentality.

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        • @ D , it’s not this information getting out that makes my job harder, I welcome it and think things like this should be exposed because you will never hear about it on the evening news. It’s the mind set that generalizes the medical profession and professionals as money grubbing without the well being of their patients in mind. I’m not nieve to believe that everyone working in this field has good motives or intentions but there a huge number of us who do. I believe they work with the best knowledge they have, as limited and closed minded as that may be sometimes. I was just trying to make the point that we (main stream medicine) are. To all the same.

          And I don’t want to leave my profession or my current job ( not in a hospital) the people who need this information the most are in mainstream medicine not those who have already branched off and stay as far away as possible. And you won’t get WAP education in college… Most if not all dietitians I know are directly opposed to those diet recommendations.

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      • Thanks for being one of the great nurses :)

        I feel for all of you who are ‘under’ the system though – and super thankful for the octors and nurses who know how to think!

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    • Oh, Rob! It goes so, so much deeper than this! As frustrating as this story is, if you compare it to the deeper layers of what is going on right under our noses, it makes this story seem like a picnic.

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      • You are absolutely right, Susan.

        I love using this quote from the Matrix: “This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill — the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill — you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes…” Morpheus –

        I took the red pill, and the hole gets deeper, and deeper…. it’s literally never ending…

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  63. This makes me so mad. Our government is out of control. Did you know that the WHO intentionally changed the definition of a global pandemic in regards to the Swine flu just so they could justify vaccinating more people.

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    • Yes, and did you know that there was a patent filed for the H1N1 vaccine BEFORE the first case had been reported? Did you know the virus was released into the gen. pop. – routinely done – to gauge what they needed to do for the vaccine development?

      The whole thing was staged and – in the view of gov’t and CDC – a total failure because it did not take off like it was supposed to and most people who had the ‘flu needed no further treatment than home treatment.

      The government takes liberties that would boggle your mind. This very risk of vaccinations is one of the reasons – and a very good one – we home educate. For now, they can’t reach them in our home.

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        • You can’t invent a file for a patent. The date is there in the record and it was BEFORE the first reported case. The CDC is where the information on releasing strains into the population is. Look it up. I’d rather wear a tinfoil hat and be informed than be ignorant and vulnerable. Save your sarcasm – facts are facts and I am immune to ridicule. I research carefully – BOTH sides.

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    • My sister is friends with a doctor’s son and his Dad works for the WHO(he makes decisions for WHO), and he told his son who then told my sister to not get the swine flu or annual flu shot vaccine. Interesting huh?

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    • I feel we are all guinea pigs from birth on. Do we know what is in the injections they give to babies? Why are babies born healthy, then Aspergers or autism shows up 11/2- 2 years. Why are there so many children with diabetes, cancer.. I really feel it is a hit in miss what is in those vials.:( From then on those children make the pharmasudical companies billions for the rest of their lives. On top of that the family ends up going to counseling to help their family. Soon parents and siblings will also be given a prescription to cope.. The people in this world are very disturbing and heartless.. Greed is the ultimate EVIL!!

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