By Guest Blogger, Sandrine Hahn, of Nourishing Our Children and Nourishing Ourselves, educational initiatives that have evolved out of the San Francisco chapter of the Weston A. Price Foundation.
“I am all for eating beef but I read that barbecue method of cooking is bad. Supposedly, it forms carcinogenic compounds called heterocyclic amines (HCAs) and also components called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). It’s said that cooking meat in the oven is much less harmful. Is it true or not? What’s your take on barbecue grilling as a cooking method?”
“The problem with grilling any kind of protein – red meat, poultry, fish – is that the process causes formation of two cancer-causing agents: HCAs, or heterocyclic amines, and PAHs, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, said Karen Collins, nutrition adviser to the American Institute for Cancer Research. Laboratory data show these substances trigger the cancer process, and while data in humans are limited, there is suggestive evidence that they can also trigger cancer in people.”
Foreman points out that grilling vegetables produces no HCAs or PAHs, nor does grilling fruit.
Sally Fallon Morell addresses the topic of barbecue in several places in her book Nourishing Traditions.
P. 355: Always buy “regular” full-fat ground meat but avoid cooking hamburgers and sausage on the barbecue, where flames can come in contact with the fat and form cancer-causing substances. Cook hamburgers and similar meats in a heavy, cast iron skillet to minimize carcinogen formation in the final product.
p. 32: Research indicates that meats cooked at very high temperatures contain elevated amounts of carcinogens.(1) Meat should be eaten raw, rare or braised in water or stock. Avoid processed meats such as sausage, luncheon meats and bacon that have been preserved with nitrites, nitrates and other common meat preservatives. These are potent carcinogens that have been linked to cancer of the esophagus, stomach, large intestine, bladder and lungs. Traditionally, sausage was a healthy, high-fat product containing nutrient-dense organ meats and preserved through lacto-fermentation, a process that actually increases nutrients; while bacon was preserved through salt curing and smoking. These delicious old-fashioned products will return to the marketplace with consumer demand. Charcoal grilled meats and smoked foods contain chemicals called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons that are used to induce cancer in laboratory animals, yet our ancestors ate liberally of smoked meats and fish without suffering from high levels of cancer. There are probably factors in traditional diets that protect against these carcinogens. Modern man is best advised to eat smoked and barbecued meats sparingly.
(1) Adamson, R H, Cancer Prevention, Nov 1990, 1-7; Bjeldanes, L F, et al, Journal of Agriculture and Food Chemistry, 1983, 31:18-21.
p. 65: Compromise Foods: Protein: Pork, fish from shallow waters, commercially raised beef, lamb, turkey and chicken; barbecued or smoked meats; traditionally made, additive-free sausage; additive-free bacon; battery eggs; tofu in very small amounts.
In a number of Sally’s recipes however, she writes something very similar to, “Grill under broiler or on barbecue for 5 to 10 minutes per side, depending on thickness of fish. Be careful not to let the fish burn.” So, she does not shy away from barbecue completely.
The Importance of Eating Fermented Foods With Barbecue
p. 335: Sally recommends kimchi with Korean beef and writes,
“The lactic-acid producing bacteria in the fermented vegetables are the perfect antidote to carcinogens which may have formed in the meat if it has been barbecued.”
Lesson is: be sure to have sauerkraut or other fermented foods and beverages with your barbecue!
10 Healthy Barbecue Tips
1. Marinate your food before cooking. Soaking your steak in red wine or beer for six hours before grilling can cut levels of two types of HCAs by up to 90 percent. Studies show that a marinade containing olive oil, lemon juice and garlic can also lower HCA levels in grilled chicken by as much as 90 percent. An acidic marinade containing lemon juice also helps reduce the amounts of AGEs in your food.
2. Trim the fat off the meat before grilling to help reduce the amount of PAHs. [I personally would not do this one - I love the fat!]
3. When grilling, cook the meat with indirect heat, such as on a rack rather than directly on the coals. You can also try using a cedar plank.
4. Keep the coating thin to avoid charring your meat. Don’t eat the black or brown parts.
5. Partially cook the meat before grilling it, or cook smaller pieces of meat, which shortens your cooking time and gives HCAs lesser time to form.
6. Flip your burgers often to help minimize HCAs.
7. Adding blueberries or cherries to your burgers can also help prevent HCAs from forming.
8. Avoid grilling hot dogs, bratwurst and other processed meats, as these seem to be among the worst offenders.
9. Choose only high-quality, organic and grass-fed meats for your barbecues.
10. Cook the meat as little as possible, rare or medium-rare at the absolute most. Quickly sear the meat on both sides to leave the inside mostly raw. This will provide the illusion that you’re eating cooked meat while getting the benefits of eating raw.
Gas Grills or Charcoal?
Another question that was posed: Are gas grills safer than charcoal? “From what I can tell, there’s nothing inherent in gas or charcoal that makes one safer than the other.
You can make the case that since (a) production of dangerous chemicals is linked to high heat, and (b) the heat level is easier to control in a gas grill by adjusting the gas flow and rack height (in some grills, anyway), gas grills are safer. But that’s speculation.
In my home, we barbecue a handful of times a year – this last year not even once though we do really love barbecued meats. We use naturally made charcoal without chemicals and do not use any lighter fluid.
Personally, I think as a celebratory experience, such as Fourth of July, we may indulge in this ”compromise”. Others have expressed to me that they don’t buy into the notion that barbecued meats are dangerous at all: “people have been cooking meat over fire since, well, since they started cooking meat. If it was so dangerous, the human race wouldn’t have survived, much less flourished. The cancer rate has sharply risen due to chemicals in our environment and the effects of processed foods, not due to too many backyard barbecues.”
About The Author
Sandrine Hahn previously worked as a family therapist, art therapist, teacher, and as an educational therapist in private practice before she established Nourishing Our Children in 2005. Convinced that the children she worked with were well-fed but malnourished, Sandrine closed her private practice to devote herself to the cause of educating and inspiring parents to return to the whole, natural foods that have produced generation after generation of healthy children.
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I am not grasping why home slow smoking is an issue. There is no direct heat and fire is not that hot.
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I love that you are discussing this question. I wonder about it a lot, especially during the outdoor cooking season… (Though my husband has been seen grilling in the back yard during a snowy winter!)
Thank you for excellent information and suggestions. I also wonder about whether the smoke from grilling meat, or from the charcoal might also be unhealthy from a respiratory perspective. Is breathing smoke from the grill, or from a campfire, unhealthy? My son and I both have asthma.
I think smoke in general is definitely an issue. I read this in re: to campfire smoke, “The contents of that smoke are more dangerous than many people think. According to Clean Air Revival Inc.’s Web site, the Environmental Protection Agency estimates that wood smoke is 12 times more carcinogenic than equal amounts of tobacco smoke — and that it stays active in the body up to 40 times longer than tobacco smoke. Children appear to be at the greatest risk of health conditions such as acute bronchitis and respiratory infections, the EPA said.”
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Actually, from what I’ve been able to glean on the subject, tobacco smoke, in and of itself, is not unhealthy. Cigarettes are unhealthy. But do you know what goes into a cigarette? You need to look that up and study it if you don’t already know. Many native tribes did and still do smoke tobacco on a regular basis.
Wood smoke isn’t dangerous either, usually. It depends on what else is on that woodpile before it’s lit. If you’re dousing it with starters, etc., then I wouldn’t sit around inhaling it, but burning well dried wood alone is not an issue. I mean, common sense will tell you not to suck in mouth/nosefuls of smoke, right?
We like to grill on cedar or pine planks. Fish is just great that way and I don’t even like fish most of the time. I also enjoy using cedar paper to grill veggies and fruits.
Didn’t traditional societies heat themselves with wood, either outside or in close quarters from chimneys inside the dwellings? I’ve been in a number of rustic places….and they’re really smelling of charred wood.
Does it matter at what temperature you cook the meat? My husband loves to cook the meat off the burner over a long period of time. I wonder if that makes a difference?
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what a great post! very informative — gives you something to think about for sure
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Thanks, Caralyn! I am happy to read that this information was of value to you!
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I take issue with the EPA statement at the end concerning woodsmoke. Northern Europeans have been exposed to wood smoke from cave fires for Milena. They have long since adapted. This explains their lower lung cancer rates compared to peoples of warmer climates. I also agree that meat has been cooked over an open fire for milena as well. After you’ve tasted a wood cooked steak, you’ll wonder why you cooked it any other way. I’d say the cancer rates from cooked meat is in reference to CAFO meat, which as we know is poisonous period (cooked or not). Eating healthy pastured meat cooked in whatever traditional manner, in my opinion, I would deem perfectly safe.
The Health Effects of Wood Smoke http://www.ehhi.org/woodsmoke/health_effects.shtml
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Great suggestions and very timely. But, people have been using fire to cook foods for thousands of years. Surely it must be safe? For many people cooking on an open flame is the only way they have to heat food. We did not always have a broiler or a cast iron pan to heat our meats.
Hi Ann,
Sally Fallon Morell address this question, which I quote in the post above: “As Sally Fallon Morell writes, “Charcoal grilled meats and smoked foods contain chemicals called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons that are used to induce cancer in laboratory animals, yet our ancestors ate liberally of smoked meats and fish without suffering from high levels of cancer. There are probably factors in traditional diets that protect against these carcinogens. Modern man is best advised to eat smoked and barbecued meats sparingly.”
I wonder where in meat in these studies was sourced from? Surely it makes a difference how many toxins are in the meat to begin with before barbecuing.
Does this mean that when our ancestors cooked over an open fire or pit that is was cancerous? Not to argue but I am not making the connection. Traditional people all over the world cooked over fire for thousands of years.
As Sally Fallon Morell writes, “Charcoal grilled meats and smoked foods contain chemicals called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons that are used to induce cancer in laboratory animals, yet our ancestors ate liberally of smoked meats and fish without suffering from high levels of cancer. There are probably factors in traditional diets that protect against these carcinogens. Modern man is best advised to eat smoked and barbecued meats sparingly.”
traditional Italian family way to grill: Use EVOO, Fresh lemon juice, garlic S &P
to marinate meat. The best part….. using wood we have gathered to make a fire….
can be placed in fireplace or outdoor grill and is delicious this way
LOL I remember my father swearing that the flavor is in the blackened parts! “If it ain’t black, it ain’t good!”, he would say.
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I just figure it’s better than pasta or some other fast food crap. So the grilling is going to stay this summer. I just might ask my husband to cook it on the top rack from now on.
Laura, I concur. I think to marinade beforehand and an added ferment is wise as well.
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Well, a little sauerkraut and a marinade can only make it yummier, right?? I’m not quite willing to give up that rare occasion that my husband is willing to cook, but if that’s all I have to do to make it somewhat healthy, it’s worth it.
BTW, does anyone know anything about “light tasting” olive oil? I’m sure there is something sneaky behind it, but EVOO is still a little too strong for my family. If anyone knows of a mild tasting, liquid at room temp oil, that does not beome harmful when heated.. please share (sounds almost too good to be true).
Laura – this is what I use when I want a mild taste: http://www.chaffinfamilyorchards.com/product_oliveoil.php
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Natural, Yes, But Wood Smoke is Toxic, Too http://www.fairwarning.org/2010/06/natural-yes-but-wood-smoke-is-toxic-too/
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http://www.ehhi.org/woodsmoke/health_effects.shtml
Yes! Sheryl, I saw that one and found this as well: “Natural, Yes, But Wood Smoke is Toxic, Too” http://www.fairwarning.org/2010/06/natural-yes-but-wood-smoke-is-toxic-too/
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What do I think? To barbecue! I believe 100% in real food, and I’ve given up a lot of things over the past few years. I don’t miss most of them anymore, because real food is so yummy, and the health benefits can’t be beat. However, this is one thing that I refuse to debate. I will continue to grill my wonderful local, pastured meats regardless of what any scientific study claims. I have been known to open the garage door and grill at the opening when there is a few feet of snow on the ground, because I’m craving grilled meat in the dead of winter. And while I try to avoid it, sometimes parts of the meat get blackened a bit, and they taste great!
Grilling fabulous foods is a challenge I love to engage in. I enjoy the compliments of the people I grill for as they enjoy the food, and I will never give it up. 80/20 rule in practice.
Great post! For me, grilling falls into our 80/20 rule under the 20%. We grill about twice per year.
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